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post Aug 13 2013, 01:58 PM
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Whenever I talk about our RV trips, I refer to it as "camping" as in actually finger quoting it! When I was a kid we tent camped (not in campgrounds). Now I need my indoor plumbing. We spend about 3 weeks each summer traveling in our trailer. It's almost 20 years old and we have had it for over 10 years. We've been to state campgrounds and resorts for various reasons. If we are travelling to sightsee, then a state campground is just fine and great way to save money. I find them to be a third the cost of the "resort" type with planned kids activities. We like those too because they are relaxing for us and the kids love them. At these places, I spend time marvelling at some of the rigs pulling in. Sometimes I am envious and other times, I say if I had that kind of money, I would rather stay in a 5 star hotel. It certainly is "different strokes for different folks" and I see nothing wrong with that.
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post Aug 13 2013, 10:19 PM
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Private campgrounds must be far cheeper out here in the west. We have been on our current trip about three weeks and mostly stayed at the RV parks that get the highest rating from this web site. We have not paid as high as $40 yet this trip. Mostly we have paid $27-$34. Last summer we drove back as far as Cleveland Ohio and was gouged by two campgrounds there for $65 a night.

However, State parks have gone up considerably out here. In general they are about the same price as private parks if the State park has full hookups. The highest rate we will be paying on this trip is in Grand Teton National Park next week, $50.

My point - things just cost more in the east. We lived on Long Island for ten years and everything costs more there.

As far as Waldon Pond vs The Bellagio, there are different sort of parks for different likes.



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post Aug 15 2013, 03:48 PM
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In general we agree with your observations about cost vs location in the country. However, to the general fact that CG's are cheaper out west than in the east has to be added the caveat that everything costs more in "destination areas", hence the cost you quote for the Grand Tetons which is no doubt the Colter Bay campground.

But as the realtors always say, "location, location, location!" You can walk from your site at Colter Bay to the shore of Jackson Lake and watch eagles soar above the lake! BTW, if you didn't know, the concessionaire at Colter Bay (Xanterra, I believe) does give ~$10 off the nightly rate if you have the federal senior pass.

As for the current price of state parks, I agree that most are no longer bargains compared to commercial CG's, but in our experience, the sites are usually larger and more private. I am writing this note while at a Washington State park where I am paying ~$34/night for full (30A) hookups including reservation and non-resident fees. The site I have is far larger and the setting much nicer than the commercial park I just left in Montana which was $38/night plus tax. Obviously, this one comparison isn't meaningful, but, in general, we'd prefer to stay at state (or federal) parks if they are near where we are going and we can get in.


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post Sep 1 2013, 05:37 PM
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I registered with this forum to specifically reply to this posting.

"Different strokes for different folks" is missing a variable. Now days, money out does some strokes for some folks.

My wife and I are in a 50's. I stopped camping along time ago because what appeared to be a trend in the way people camped. I use to tent camp long long time ago before RVs were the big thing. They were around but the campsites were geared towards tent campers. Most people who had money wouldn't/couldn't do anything as disgusting as 'camp', out in the wilderness, for God sakes. And with that we were all on a level playing field. Going camping was fun. Nature was beautiful. We all helped each other and it was fun to meet new people around a camp fire.

Then came the campers, RV are what the are called. They are not campers they are Recreation Vehicles. With them all the comforts of home. Now those who wouldn't/couldn't camp were taking up the places that basic people only did for fun. Now it is a mobile hotel stop and they will back right over a tent in a second for that hotel spot.

My wife and I decided we were going to try camping again. We are older so a few amenities would be nice. Running water, electricity for a fan in the summer, small things. We even bought a tent to see if we would like it before I modify a utility trailer to be our camper. That's right, modify a utility trailer to be a camper, because we can't afford a real camper. We were afraid that things might be as I thought they were so we decide we would go to the campsites in the area on this Labor day Weekend and see what we could see. UNBELIEVABLE. Campers, sorry, RV upon RV, people stacked 2 feet apart. Some even had their tables in the street. This was at three different 'campgrounds'.

I remembered along time ago a book you could by that listed all the campgrounds. Now I see that is gone and a new book has taken its place, one dedicated to RV's. THey say they are for campgrounds but it is really dedicated to RV Resorts.

Now we did find a couple hidden state and local campgrounds where camping is still camping. But, are you people serious? What is the point? Those with big rigs, pull up throw up the satellite antenna, get the big screen tv hooked up under your canopy, and then go inside and leave it playing with no one watching some football game or other sporting event. AC and generators running full blast, not a soul insight. Bicycles everywhere with no one on them.

I am sorry but it looked like a zoo.

If this is camping, we may need to think again. A fun family activity has been ruined all because of money, just like so many other things in this life. Money and commercialism.
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post Sep 1 2013, 08:46 PM
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QUOTE(cwcsmc @ Sep 1 2013, 05:37 PM) *

I registered with this forum to specifically reply to this posting.

"Different strokes for different folks" is missing a variable. Now days, money out does some strokes for some folks.

My wife and I are in a 50's. I stopped camping along time ago because what appeared to be a trend in the way people camped. I use to tent camp long long time ago before RVs were the big thing. They were around but the campsites were geared towards tent campers. Most people who had money wouldn't/couldn't do anything as disgusting as 'camp', out in the wilderness, for God sakes. And with that we were all on a level playing field. Going camping was fun. Nature was beautiful. We all helped each other and it was fun to meet new people around a camp fire.

Then came the campers, RV are what the are called. They are not campers they are Recreation Vehicles. With them all the comforts of home. Now those who wouldn't/couldn't camp were taking up the places that basic people only did for fun. Now it is a mobile hotel stop and they will back right over a tent in a second for that hotel spot.

My wife and I decided we were going to try camping again. We are older so a few amenities would be nice. Running water, electricity for a fan in the summer, small things. We even bought a tent to see if we would like it before I modify a utility trailer to be our camper. That's right, modify a utility trailer to be a camper, because we can't afford a real camper. We were afraid that things might be as I thought they were so we decide we would go to the campsites in the area on this Labor day Weekend and see what we could see. UNBELIEVABLE. Campers, sorry, RV upon RV, people stacked 2 feet apart. Some even had their tables in the street. This was at three different 'campgrounds'.

I remembered along time ago a book you could by that listed all the campgrounds. Now I see that is gone and a new book has taken its place, one dedicated to RV's. THey say they are for campgrounds but it is really dedicated to RV Resorts.

Now we did find a couple hidden state and local campgrounds where camping is still camping. But, are you people serious? What is the point? Those with big rigs, pull up throw up the satellite antenna, get the big screen tv hooked up under your canopy, and then go inside and leave it playing with no one watching some football game or other sporting event. AC and generators running full blast, not a soul insight. Bicycles everywhere with no one on them.

I am sorry but it looked like a zoo.

If this is camping, we may need to think again. A fun family activity has been ruined all because of money, just like so many other things in this life. Money and commercialism.

Oh well, guess RVing isn't for you. Kind of like I wouldn't spend 6 seconds of my life watching soccer, but would spend tens of thousands for a seat at the Super Bowl should my favorite team be a participant. On the flip side there is some silly Brit who would toss a Super Bowl ticket in the trash, but would do anything to get into a Premier Finals game (if that is what they call the superbowl of English Soccer). Hey you gave it try, wasn't for you, time to move on. Good luck with whatever your future entertainment endeavors are.
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post Sep 2 2013, 08:39 AM
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Hi cwcsmc

You talked about visiting campsites Labor day weekend and how busy & and how the rv's were packed together.

First of which, Memorial Day, July, 4 and labor Day, are the worse times to judge any campgrounds... most people that are routine campers/Rvers will avoid these times like the plague. Try looking into off holiday and possibly during weekdays. Also A lot of campers/Rvers planning their trips ahead of time (like me) will post questions either on this site or sites like http://www.rv.net/forum. Lots of good folks out there that will help you find what your looking for.

Give it one more try.

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post Sep 2 2013, 11:11 AM
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QUOTE(kcmoedoe @ Sep 1 2013, 09:46 PM) *

Oh well, guess RVing isn't for you. Kind of like I wouldn't spend 6 seconds of my life watching soccer, but would spend tens of thousands for a seat at the Super Bowl should my favorite team be a participant. On the flip side there is some silly Brit who would toss a Super Bowl ticket in the trash, but would do anything to get into a Premier Finals game (if that is what they call the superbowl of English Soccer). Hey you gave it try, wasn't for you, time to move on. Good luck with whatever your future entertainment endeavors are.


You missed the point, and since you would spend 'thousands' for a football game it is obvious you would.

Let me ask you, you already would spend thousands for a game, would you still go if they stopped you from bring drinks in with you and make you pay an arm and a leg for theirs (oh wait they do that), what if the stopped your wife from bringing her purse (they do that too), what if they basically stripped searched you, (hmm, they do that too) what if they decided to do away with the seats and make everyone stand because they would make more money. What if there were so many people you couldn't see the game? Would you still go?

You are absolutely right, RV'ing is not for me. Camping is. The problem is RV'ers have taken over the activity of camping and left those who enjoyed that activity with nothing left. Funny thing is the only reason RV'ers can do what they do is because of money. It is not about their ability to actually ENJOY the outdoors. More than likely if the money was taken away the RV parks would be empty, and the true campers would come back.

Anyway, I went this past holiday weekend on purpose. I wanted to see the worst case scenario. That was disturbing. All those people jammed on top of each other and they called that fun?

I wish that there could be a clear distinction between a real 'campground' and an RV Park. I suppose though, not many RV'rs would show up if the advertised for the best RV Parking Lot around, as apposed to trying to pretend it is a campground.

Maybe one day RV'ers will realize they can't see the football game anymore and leave the area to those who would truly enjoy the stadium empty.
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post Sep 2 2013, 11:28 AM
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QUOTE(cwcsmc @ Sep 2 2013, 01:11 PM) *

The problem is RV'ers have taken over the activity of camping and left those who enjoyed that activity with nothing left. Funny thing is the only reason RV'ers can do what they do is because of money. It is not about their ability to actually ENJOY the outdoors. More than likely if the money was taken away the RV parks would be empty, and the true campers would come back.


I'm sorry you have such a judgmental view of people that you lump all RVers into one category. I can assure you that many of us enjoy being outdoors even though we may choose to cook and sleep in our RVs. IMHO it's not about money, we've been RVing since we bought our first popup when our kids were young. Believe me that wasn't a luxurious unit and didn't cost anywhere close to what the van did that was pulling it. Some of us simply make choices that are different than yours are; that's what living in a democracy is all about.


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post Sep 2 2013, 01:25 PM
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QUOTE(docj @ Sep 2 2013, 12:28 PM) *

I'm sorry you have such a judgmental view of people that you lump all RVers into one category. I can assure you that many of us enjoy being outdoors even though we may choose to cook and sleep in our RVs. IMHO it's not about money, we've been RVing since we bought our first popup when our kids were young. Believe me that wasn't a luxurious unit and didn't cost anywhere close to what the van did that was pulling it. Some of us simply make choices that are different than yours are; that's what living in a democracy is all about.


How many tents could be pitched in the space one bus takes up?

Point I am trying to make here is that there should be a distinction between what a true campground use to be and what it is now, an RV parking lot. If you have moved up and like were you are so be it, but consider were you came from and the families that are now trying to start where you did and can't because that bus has parked in the spot they could have used to see the outdoors. And that one bus is not the problem, it's the thousands of them.

If I could say anything to the people on this forum, remember your past and give others a chance. If you like the comforts of home, stay home. If you like the fresh air of nature, (what's left of it) and ruggedness of being in it, consider downsizing so others can fit in. Remember you're suppose to be camping. The word camping has lost its meaning. That is a shame.
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post Sep 2 2013, 02:25 PM
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cwcsmc, there are a lot of campgrounds primarily geared towards tents, and many (if not most) "RV" campgrounds have tenting areas. If you are visiting RV Resort type "campgrounds", then you most certainly will not see a lot of tents.

Using not only this site, but also Open Roads Forum, do some research and ask about campgrounds that cater to your specific needs and wants. Those campgrounds are out there, probably a lot closer to you than you think. And usually campgrounds geared towards tenting are a heck of a lot less expensive then RV campgrounds.

If you don't want to "camp" in an RV or fifth wheel or travel trailer or hybrid or popup or truck camper, then, well, don't! Feel free to use a tent, even in a "RV" campground. I have never seen an RV'er "back over" a tent intentionally, and no people I know who own a camper would even think of doing that.

If you are setting up at a campground with your tent and need help, forgot something, or whatever, feel free to ask me or anyone in my family (or friends), we will certainly be happy to help you out.


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post Sep 2 2013, 02:41 PM
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cwcsmc I understand you like camping your way but you seem to be condemning those of us that don't want to spend our time away from home in our own way. Telling us that if we don't came your way we should stay home is rude and judgmental. We are just as entitled to our version of camping as you are. You come across as someone that thinks there are two sides to every story....your side and the wrong side.
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cwcsmc, I think most of us understand your point, but if you have not received much sympathy here, remember that it is called RVPARKreviews. As Tom said you need to seek out websites and forums that cater more to the tent camper. As a suggestion you might try hikercentral.com. I think they are geared a bit more to rustic/tent camping. Woodall Directory claims you can use it to locate tent campgrounds. Their website says: “Woodalls.com also has an easy-to-use search tool that lets you search for tent campgrounds by state or province, city or even by a specific campground. You can also search to ensure you find tent campgrounds that have the amenities you need. You can even search for campgrounds that allow both tenting and RVing.”

Other sources to check out would be state and national parks. Many of these have backcountry areas that RVs cannot get to.

Also with just a simple search for” tent campgrounds” I found this forum.

http://www.campingforums.com/forum/showthr...nly-Campgrounds

I did not read it much, but it looks like it has a possibility of helping you.

Whatever you do, I wish you luck finding places that are not all taken up by RVs.

And finally to answer your question about how many tents could be pitched in the space one bus takes up? Well, you could probably put quite a few tents in the same space, but I would not want to be jammed in like that, especially in a tent where you really could hear everything your neighbors are doing—sound familiar?
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First of all, I'm an ardent RV'er, often spending weeks and months on the road, staying in designated RV parks and campgrounds. On occasion though, I take a trip back to my more youthful style of camping, carrying everything I need on my back into a remote wooded area and making my own little "campground", just as I did 50 years or so ago. I've just returned from one such three day sojourn into the Adirondack Mountains with my two daughters and a couple of their friends, and we all had a great time. There are plenty of state operated campgrounds in the Adirondack State Park that cater mainly to tenters and smaller pop-up or teardrop or 'A' frame style trailers, but those tend to be too crowded and organized for my tent camping tastes. Now I'm back in our motorhome, and will be quite content to travel on to the next stop when we decide to move on. As has been said here many times, "Different strokes for different folks.", and sometimes even for the same folks. Life is constantly changing around us, and the best we can do is learn to deal with it, either bending the changes to our own way of life or adjusting our lives to accommodate those changes we can't bend. My wife and I adopted the motto "Stay flexible" years ago.


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Just thought of Corps of Engineer parks. Many of them have tent only areas. Our website lists hundreds of them.
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