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Texasrvers
post Aug 5 2012, 11:42 AM
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We realize that where a park is located might make a difference in the advice given about it. However, we do not allow park owners to tell specifically where their park is located, so please only tell where it is in very general terms. Thanks.
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post Aug 10 2012, 08:13 PM
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kcmoedoe & TranQuilGuy, Thanks for posing the questions as they are valid points to consider. Yes we(wife and I) are RVers(not full time) for about 12 years. Have always thought having a park would be fun, but never considered owning one. Passion is not a word I would use to describe my interest in this. Just stumbled onto this property, it was purchased by an individual who was full timing in an adjacent park and he decided to have his own place. After running all water, sewer and electrical to 52 sites, he had about 8-10 spots rented to other full timers, he became ill and had to sell. A local with no interest in running CG bought it and all the renters left. Since there is an RV park operating next to this property, we were thinking of doing something different, like setting up 12-15 spaces for extended stay only. Any suggestions?

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kcmoedoe & TranQuilGuy, Thanks for posing the questions as they are valid points to consider.

Forgot location: Middle Georgia
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post Aug 10 2012, 09:26 PM
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It might be a good idea to talk to the folks next door and see what could be done to allow them to place RV's into your park for short term stays. They would handle all of the paperwork and this would cut down a lot on your involvement. You could also do the long term thing you were discussing. It seems ashamed to have sites nearly ready and go unused. This could be their over flow during busy periods. This would also save you the startup cost which could be considerable.


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post Aug 20 2012, 02:41 PM
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Matt Woodman,

We are glad that you are a member of our website and that you are participating in our forum. This is a great place to ask for and get advice. However, we do not allow park owners/managers to tell where their park is located as this could be considered solicitation which we do not allow. We have removed your last post as it named your park, identified the area where your park is, and contained your facebook address. Please repost your questions/comments and feel free to continue your discussion; just please do not mention specifically where your park is. Thanks.
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post Aug 21 2012, 08:58 AM
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QUOTE(Texasrvers @ Aug 20 2012, 04:41 PM) *

Matt Woodman,

We are glad that you are a member of our website and that you are participating in our forum. This is a great place to ask for and get advice. However, we do not allow park owners/managers to tell where their park is located as this could be considered solicitation which we do not allow. We have removed your last post as it named your park, identified the area where your park is, and contained your facebook address. Please repost your questions/comments and feel free to continue your discussion; just please do not mention specifically where your park is. Thanks.


Whoops....sorry about that! I'll repost. My sincerest apologies to the group...
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post Aug 21 2012, 09:14 AM
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QUOTE(Matt Woodman @ Aug 21 2012, 10:58 AM) *

Whoops....sorry about that! I'll repost. My sincerest apologies to the group...


Reposting my discussion item to meet the requirements of the forum...

I'm the operations manager of an all seasonal park. Wanted to pick the brains of other owner/operators regarding GFI circuit breakers.

We have 255 seasonal sites and all have electricity supplied by Midwest boxes. We have in the boxes 30A GFCI breakers. We have a reliable, safe and maintained system. The one issue that we have is that during a moderate to severe thunderstorm a percentage (5% +/-) of these breakers will trip. For folks that are here - not a big deal, they just wait the storm out and re-set it. However we do have many folks that treat their unit as their "beach house" and are gone during the week.

While most of our customers who are gone for stretches of time do not leave their refrigerators/freezers stocked up - we do have some that simply will not adjust their lifestyle and cannot accept that breaker trips during thunderstorms are a possibility and are the nature of the set up we have.

Like I said, the vast majority of our sites do not trip during storms - but we do have a handful of folks (scattered throughout the park, varied trailer ages) who seem to trip at nearly every storm. Our best guest is that perhaps there are some geographical/geological reasons behind it (?).

Just wondering if other folks have this issue and how they deal with it - either from a customer service side or from a technical standpoint? Particularly interested in how folks in areas like FL or TX deal with this issue - as I have to think that it's a constant issue in areas like that.

Thanks in advance for any thoughts!
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post Aug 21 2012, 09:40 AM
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QUOTE(Matt Woodman @ Aug 21 2012, 09:14 AM) *

Reposting my discussion item to meet the requirements of the forum...

I'm the operations manager of an all seasonal park. Wanted to pick the brains of other owner/operators regarding GFI circuit breakers.

We have 255 seasonal sites and all have electricity supplied by Midwest boxes. We have in the boxes 30A GFCI breakers. We have a reliable, safe and maintained system. The one issue that we have is that during a moderate to severe thunderstorm a percentage (5% +/-) of these breakers will trip. For folks that are here - not a big deal, they just wait the storm out and re-set it. However we do have many folks that treat their unit as their "beach house" and are gone during the week.

While most of our customers who are gone for stretches of time do not leave their refrigerators/freezers stocked up - we do have some that simply will not adjust their lifestyle and cannot accept that breaker trips during thunderstorms are a possibility and are the nature of the set up we have.

Like I said, the vast majority of our sites do not trip during storms - but we do have a handful of folks (scattered throughout the park, varied trailer ages) who seem to trip at nearly every storm. Our best guest is that perhaps there are some geographical/geological reasons behind it (?).

Just wondering if other folks have this issue and how they deal with it - either from a customer service side or from a technical standpoint? Particularly interested in how folks in areas like FL or TX deal with this issue - as I have to think that it's a constant issue in areas like that.

Thanks in advance for any thoughts!

I have never seen a 30amp GFCI. Are you sure you are not talking about the 20 amp GFCI outlets (same as the outlets in the house). GFCIs will occasionally trip during a thunderstorm, though having a large number tripping often is probably an indication something else is amiss, but what is would be is really an infinite list. Is it the same breakers each time, or is it random? The actual breakers should not trip in thunderstorms. I would suggest that if it is the 20 amp GFCI, not the 30 amp breaker or not a 30 amp GFCI (again never seen such a thing), to just have the customer not use that plug for critical systems. They could use a 30 to 20 adapter and plug into the 30 amp plug. If you actually have 30 AMP GFCI breakers, (again never seen such a thing) consider replacing them with standard 30 amp breakers. You will need to check with the local electrical codes, but I seriously doubt a GFCI protected circuit is required on 30 or 50 amp services.
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post Aug 21 2012, 03:21 PM
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They do make 30 amp, 50 amp and 100 amp GFCI's. Home Depot sells them and they are made by Square D. In many, not all I'm sure, locations if the box is within 18 inches of water it is required.

As for Matt's question: The body of the camper gets wet and the neutral is bonded to the ground it will cause the breaker to trip.
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post Aug 21 2012, 04:11 PM
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QUOTE(Matt Woodman @ Aug 21 2012, 09:58 AM) *

Whoops....sorry about that! I'll repost. My sincerest apologies to the group...


No problem. Glad to have you here.
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post Aug 21 2012, 07:27 PM
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They do make 30 amp, 50 amp and 100 amp GFCI's. Home Depot sells them and they are made by Square D. In many, not all I'm sure, locations if the box is within 18 inches of water it is required.

As for Matt's question: The body of the camper gets wet and the neutral is bonded to the ground it will cause the breaker to trip.

Learn something every day. I have never seen one in an RV park box. I knew they were required for things like hottubs and spas, but didn't realize they were ever even used in RV park boxes. When you mention 18 inches from water, is that standing water like a tub, wash basin or spa or is it anything that can deliver water such as a water spigot, or for that matter a water pipe just running through the ground nearby? The bonded neutral you are referring to, would that be bonded inside the trailer at the panel, or bonded at breaker panel for the pedestal? The pedestals are all prewired, so I doubt they would be bonded, but I guess it would be possible for the feeder lines to be bonded at the meter base, though that would take a pretty big error by the electrician. At least that solves the mystery of why it only happens when it rains.
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post Aug 21 2012, 08:36 PM
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Matt, is there a local code requirement for the 30 amp GFCI's? The NEC (National Electrical Code 2011 Edition) does not require them for outlets above 20 amps in an RV park.


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Learn something every day. I have never seen one in an RV park box. I knew they were required for things like hottubs and spas, but didn't realize they were ever even used in RV park boxes. When you mention 18 inches from water, is that standing water like a tub, wash basin or spa or is it anything that can deliver water such as a water spigot, or for that matter a water pipe just running through the ground nearby? The bonded neutral you are referring to, would that be bonded inside the trailer at the panel, or bonded at breaker panel for the pedestal? The pedestals are all prewired, so I doubt they would be bonded, but I guess it would be possible for the feeder lines to be bonded at the meter base, though that would take a pretty big error by the electrician. At least that solves the mystery of why it only happens when it rains.

It is anything where you get water. That would include faucets, tubs, sinks and even water pipes If there is a leak it can turn deadly. Hubby says it would be at the panel. It cannot be bonded in the RV. If it is bonded in the RV you could check with a meter by touching body of vehicle and the dirt and if you get a reading at all you get a short. (He is the wiring dude, not me).

When we installed new meters for each campsite we put in the 20,30 and 50 amp GFCI breakers.
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The entire RV is basically a "portable appliance", and the neutral and ground should NOT be bonded per the NEC. The only neutral/ground bonding should be at the primary supply panel.


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post Oct 24 2012, 05:48 PM
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Howdy,

Unfourtunatly our rv resort is not up and running yet. however going over my budgeting if anyone could answer a few questions on power consumption it would be appreciated.

We have 150 seasonal sites 30A P,S,W and 50 30A P,W sites

how much consumption on average do some of you go through to help me get a better idea how much the power bill will be,. ( we are All Utility inclusive trying not to charge for electricity)

Also we will be only open for 5 summer months a year

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post Oct 25 2012, 09:53 AM
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Howdy, Out Fishing.

Your question is not easy to answer without knowing the region in which you are located but I will share some average power consumption figures that I had in August and September 2012. My park is in the south where the temps those months was usually in the mid to upper 90's in the daytime. This was a little cooler than normal, but the humidity is rather high. Some of my guests who have 30 amp service averaged around 750 kilowatt hours each of those months. Those were at the high end of the scale. Some used less than 500 Kwh per month on average.

Just curious, Did I understand correctly that you only have 30 Amp sites?
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