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RV Usage/Mileage
How many days do you use your RV per year?
30 days or less. [ 66 ] ** [22.68%]
31-60 days. [ 77 ] ** [26.46%]
61-100 days. [ 49 ] ** [16.84%]
101-200 days. [ 35 ] ** [12.03%]
Over 200 days. [ 64 ] ** [21.99%]
How many miles per year do you drive your RV?
Under 5,000 miles. [ 110 ] ** [37.80%]
5001-10,000 miles. [ 116 ] ** [39.86%]
10,001-15,000 miles. [ 43 ] ** [14.78%]
15,001-20,000 miles. [ 16 ] ** [5.50%]
Over 20,000 miles. [ 6 ] ** [2.06%]
Have you reduce your annual usage and/or mileage due to rising fuel prices?
Yes. [ 86 ] ** [29.55%]
No. [ 197 ] ** [67.70%]
Changes due to other than fuel costs. [ 8 ] ** [2.75%]
Total Votes: 873
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Testudo
post Mar 9 2008, 08:18 PM
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We operate a small truck camper but obviously fuel is our biggest cost. We average about 12 miles to the gallon when we are fully loaded with the camper. A problem for us is that we live on the east coast and take a western trip every year. Just getting out west eats up 4,000 miles going and coming.

When we last tent camped, in 2005, we were paying about $2 per gallon. After we got the camper in 2006, of course, fuel prices started to skyrocket {grin!}. Compared to tenting, a lot of our expenses are actually reduced, now. The biggest savings turned out to be food (which I wouldn't have predicted). We can handle food so much better in our well appointed truck camper that we have no interest in eating out any more. Also, since we always have the camper with us on our 4-wheel drive truck, we are never "prisoners" of the local economy at lunch time, anymore.

We actually also spend only about 2/3rds what we were spending on camp sites when we were tenters. Having the RV allows us to be more flexible with regard to the ammenities of the campground.

We've been reasonably expecting gasoline prices up to $4 a gallon for quite some time. Earlier this spring, with gasoline prices cooling somewhat, we half-hoped that we might pay less than $3 a gallon during our upcoming spring trip. Of course, _now_ -- just a few weeks later, we will be happy if we are paying under $3.50 a gallon {grin!}.

One thing that kind of irks me about the fuel situation is that so many people are _sure_ that it is all a plot on the part of the American fuel companies and filling stations (...and _no_, I'm not an employee of the oil companies). Nobody ever seems to want to blame the crude oil suppliers or the Federal and state governments that include huge taxes (mostly road taxes) in the price of a gallon of gasoline. The oil companies and filling stations actually have quite a meager profit margin. You won't find any oil company stocks in _my_ portfolio!
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post Mar 9 2008, 10:29 PM
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QUOTE(RLM @ Mar 9 2008, 07:02 PM) *

As other's have stated in the thread, it's not necessarily about the money, but how it is spent. Sleeping in one's own bed is "priceless."



Diesel per gallong = $3.67
New Diesel pusher RV = $400,000 (Ok, I'm guessing....)
Sleeping in one's own bed..... PRICELESS!

Ok, may I add...... BEING ABLE TO HAVE YOUR PET WITH YOU...... PRICELESS!

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post Mar 10 2008, 08:45 AM
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Here in New York in the past, when the infrastructure needed repairs to roads and bridges they raised our fuel taxes, BUT those taxes were not dedicated to only road/bridge repairs. Those funds were added to the general fund and was used to fund anything else our great elected officials chose. The Governor is now calling for additional fees to cover repairs to our failing transportation systems......roads/bridges. We pay the largest state fuel taxes in the US now, if not first it must be the second largest. If a business misappropriated monies, as this state does, they would be charged and you know where they would end up. A country club with bars......


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post Mar 12 2008, 07:45 AM
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Or to cover the fees for Client #9....

QUOTE(Butch @ Mar 10 2008, 10:45 AM) *

Here in New York in the past, when the infrastructure needed repairs to roads and bridges they raised our fuel taxes, BUT those taxes were not dedicated to only road/bridge repairs. Those funds were added to the general fund and was used to fund anything else our great elected officials chose. The Governor is now calling for additional fees to cover repairs to our failing transportation systems......roads/bridges. We pay the largest state fuel taxes in the US now, if not first it must be the second largest. If a business misappropriated monies, as this state does, they would be charged and you know where they would end up. A country club with bars......



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post Mar 12 2008, 08:53 AM
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QUOTE(HappiestCamper @ Mar 12 2008, 08:45 AM) *

Or to cover the fees for Client #9....


Just goes to prove you never know but does follow the position that there are those, who hold certain offices/jobs that have the mentality that they are above the law. Sic....... Bets are that he will never be prosecuted under any law but will be able to resign and go on with his life. His life is changed forever, and will never be to the level as before this situation was brought to the forefront. His arrogance, ego, and the power just got the best of him.... in just over a year in office his approval rating went from 73% to 23% because of his arrogance, ego, and his trying to run the State as a dictatorship. One could see his fall from power was on the horizon but never thought that an issue, the likes of this, would be the undoing of his "reign"....

PS;
The Governor did resign today, March 12th, as he had no allies within the legislature
and was about to be brought up on an impeachment charge. A total disgrace and embarrassment to the citizens of the State of New York, and of course his wife and family............
surely we may never know the full story of ten years of using this establishment and the expenditure of $ 80,000.00 ........... A sad ending to a millionaire's raise and fall.........

Just hope the LT. Governor, his replacement on Monday, March17th, is not more of the same.....


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post Mar 17 2008, 09:06 AM
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I sure hated to do it but we have had to park the TT. With fuel well over $4 a gallon and the higher cost of RV parks it's just to expensive to take it out right now. We are hoping the cost will come down before the summer but aren't holding our breath. Sure would hate to have to get ride of it. Maybe one of these days we'll be able to know who's fault all this is.

As always just my opinion,
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post Mar 17 2008, 11:20 AM
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In WA we have high gas taxes, because we don't have a state income tax. Someone (was it this thread, or another thread....) thought that wasn't necessarily the reason for WA state. Ok, a friend of mine posed another theory. In WA, we USED to have to pay an excise tax on our car license plates. License plates, $20, Excise Tax, $350 (average....based on weight of your car). These taxes went to fund our transporation infrastructure (to include the ferries that we are curently having problems with....). Well, with competition from OR, who has cheap license plates, and ID, who also has cheap license plates, and people "sneaking" to those states to license their cars, we had a (I think it came up through voter's initiative process....) ballot in (I think....) 2002, we we voted to get rid of the excise tax. This ended up being short sighted by the voters (and I forgot how I voted on that one...). Not only did we lose that funding to the infrastructure (and now our ferries are having problems....), but we lost a great tax write off for the Form 1040!

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post Mar 17 2008, 12:45 PM
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jj: I don't know about other taxes, but the taxes on liquor in Washington state are draconian. I know, if we plan to be in Washington for any time, we will stock up in Oregon or Idaho. The last I bought a fifth of liquor in Washington, it drove me to drink.
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post Mar 17 2008, 04:02 PM
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QUOTE(Beastdriver @ Mar 17 2008, 11:45 AM) *

jj: I don't know about other taxes, but the taxes on liquor in Washington state are draconian. I know, if we plan to be in Washington for any time, we will stock up in Oregon or Idaho. The last I bought a fifth of liquor in Washington, it drove me to drink.


Well, we don't have an income tax, and we don't want one, so the money has to come from somewhere......

We also have a heft sales tax.

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post Apr 11 2008, 09:13 PM
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Hi again everybody,

It has been 3 months since I started this poll and, so far, 50 forum members have been kind enough to partake in it. Thank you.

First, I want to mention that I really should have put this under General Chat. No harm, I guess. I just hope nobody missed this poll because of my error. Actually, it probably would have been more likely overlooked it had been in the other section. I would imagine more people skip General Chat than Campground Discussion.

I found the results of the poll to be quite interesting:

1. Since only 20% of the respondents said they used their RVs less than a month per year, it would seem that most of the other 80% are not limited to using their RVs for just vacation and a few weekends. Since more than half are on the road more than 2 months a year, I am guessing most of those are retired(or semi) or can/do work out of the RV.

2. For years I have read that the average RVer drives 6-8,000 miles a year. The poll seems to support that figure since 74% say they drive under 10,000 miles. So it would seem that even though they use their RVs a lot do not really put a lot of miles on them. I've often wondered how much of some RVer's total mileage was just going from their northern home to their winter home and back.

3. As I surmised in my original post, most (62%) of the respondents are not letting fuel prices their RV usage/mileage. I guess that in addition to the healthy economic position many folks on this forum are in, the low mileage a surprising number of them drive their RV's is another factor in not reducing their usage.

Personally, I am in the 101-150 days, 10,001-15,000 miles, and Yes categories. I could have almost justified being in the over 15,000 miles category. From 1996 to 2003 I put on almost 150,000 miles for an average of 18,000+ miles a year. Since 2004 I have 52,000 in 4 years (13,000/yr.). I averaged almost 8,000 miles a year in my first RV (1990-1996). I started cutting back on my mileage back in 2004. I have also reduced my number of days on the road per year by at least 10 days (from about 140 to 125-130) saving at least $300 in camping and other daily costs. So far, it has worked for me.

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With a little thought and self -denial (something I am not always good at), those of us on a tighter budget can "find" that extra $500 to keep us travelling. No more Starbucks, one less dinner out a week, etc. Eliminating little things that cost just $10 a week saves $520 in a year.

For those of you considering cancelling that trip of a lifetime to Alaska, the Grand Canyon, Washington, etc., remember that chances are we will never see $3 a gallon fuel again. If you don't want to spend that extra grand for this year's $4 fuel, how are you going to feel if it is $5 next year. As long as you can still pay your bills and don't go into debt for fuel, take your trip now or you may never be able to do it.

With the current predictions of fuel being over $4 this summer, has anybody changed their mind since they first took this poll?

Just my 8 cents worth (reflecting the 4 fold increase in fuel in the last 4 years).

Jerry S.
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post Apr 11 2008, 09:45 PM
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We have been talking about a really long (miles and time) trip in the fall, but I'm not sure if we'll go. We may stay a little closer to home. We hadn't really made up our minds about going before the price jump, so I can't say the gas prices changed our minds. Four dollars a gallon is outrageous, but if we really wanted to go we could. And we still might. Like Jerry said if we don't do it now we might not get the chance in the future. We aren't getting younger, you know.

A little off topic, but along the same lines has anyone noticed how campground prices have gone up, too? When we first started RVing 8 years ago we could find a decent full hook up site for $20-25 dollars. Today that same kind of site is $30-35 or more. Funny thing, though, our monthly retirement check hasn't gone up hardly a dime. Go figure.
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post Apr 12 2008, 09:35 AM
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I still want to do my Pennsylvania trip, despite gas prices. My only "saving grace" is that gas prices are higher in the West and will get cheaper in the East in some states.

As for "cutting back...." I'm not sure where I can cut back. I always cook my own dinners in the RV, I don't drink coffee. I guess I could switch from fresh vegetables to canned or frozen...... Ok, I can cut back on "s'mores." I always buy graham crackers, hershey bars, and marshmallows. (I use the microwave for marshmallows, it works, but not as good as a campfire!)

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post Apr 12 2008, 11:09 AM
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" I can't wait to get on the road again ...." . I bought a new 40' diesel pusher in 2006, and because of family health issues, it has spent way too much time parked beside my house. The health issues have ended, and this Fall I finally am going to take an extended trip regardless of what fuel prices might be at that time. I intend to do the Rocky Mountain states and eventually make it to Laughlin, my favorite Casino Rving destination. Hope to see some of you on the road.
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post Apr 12 2008, 11:18 AM
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QUOTE(Jerry S. @ Apr 11 2008, 08:13 PM) *

...For those of you considering cancelling that trip of a lifetime to Alaska, the Grand Canyon, Washington, etc., remember that chances are we will never see $3 a gallon fuel again...
Jerry S.


You've got a good point here Jerry. rolleyes.gif
Thank heavens for locking fuel doors on our RV's !!! May have to invest in one for the tow-car... wink.gif
Most excellent poll, by the way.
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post Apr 12 2008, 09:21 PM
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We have just started a cross country trip - from West to East. We will be gone about 3 1/2 mos. We have tried to take this trip twice before and family things came up that prohibited us from being gone so long. We thought about the price of fuel but we decided we needed to do it. As Jerry said, it may be $5/gallon next year. Besides, we don't know what another year will bring. I don't want to stay home another year planning on going in 09 then have something happen that would prevent it. I don't want to keep saying "if only we had gone".
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