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Should Campgrounds Charge for WiFi?
Campground WiFi should:
be Free to entice more campers to the c/g [ 319 ] ** [78.38%]
be Free in the more "deluxe" sites [ 23 ] ** [5.65%]
be charged for on a per usage basis (recieve an access code at check in if paid for) [ 44 ] ** [10.81%]
be Charged for by an outside agency when loggin on [ 9 ] ** [2.21%]
not be a part of the camping experience (leave your technology at home) [ 12 ] ** [2.95%]
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drmcleod
post Jul 18 2008, 05:18 PM
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Should Campgrounds charge for Internet access?

I would like to get other opinions on this.

My opinion is no! I have two reasons for this.

First, as a consumer. Having free internet access is actually one of the things I look for in a campground. It's a 'perk' if you will. If I have the choice between two, somewhat comparable, c/g's then I will choose the one with free WiFi. Heck, I'll even choose the one with free WiFi over one that is slightly nicer with fee for service.

Second, as a business owner (of which I am one). It does not cost more to allow the whole campground access to your broadband service. The only additional expense is the addition of the hardware. In some cases this might be more expensive if additional antennas are required and installation requires an expert. Also, a higher than basic internet subscription is needed. However, if the c/g is going to charge for its WiFi service, then all of this has to be done anyway. Therefore, consider it a marketing expense to drive more people to your c/g. Why do you think that places like Panera Bread and even McDonald's are offering free WiFi? I know I choose to eat there when I need a place to surf while I eat. In my case, I want more people to come to my place of business, so I make my wireless service available to all. It costs me no more, but brings more people to me.

What do you think?


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westernrvparkowner
post Nov 26 2008, 03:17 PM
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Just a minor note, if you use a wireless router in your coach, you may be broadcasting on the same frequency as the campground WiFi system and coaches near yours may be prevented by the interference from using the campground system. It is similar to a walkie talkie if there are several people on the same channel, it doesn't really work for anyone. Be aware there are only 12 channels available for wifi transmission, and only 3 are recommended for hotspot usage. It is very common to have multiple routers in the campground all transmitting on the same frequency. When this happens, we often find no one has acceptable service.
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post Nov 29 2008, 10:40 PM
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Hi Western,

Well why not change your campground wife to do Channel 1 and/or Channel 12. Most of your visitors will have defaulted to Channel 6.

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Just a minor note, if you use a wireless router in your coach, you may be broadcasting on the same frequency as the campground WiFi system and coaches near yours may be prevented by the interference from using the campground system. It is similar to a walkie talkie if there are several people on the same channel, it doesn't really work for anyone. Be aware there are only 12 channels available for wifi transmission, and only 3 are recommended for hotspot usage. It is very common to have multiple routers in the campground all transmitting on the same frequency. When this happens, we often find no one has acceptable service.



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QUOTE(pianotuna @ Nov 29 2008, 11:40 PM) *

Hi Western,

Well why not change your campground wife to do Channel 1 and/or Channel 12. Most of your visitors will have defaulted to Channel 6.


Actually, we run a site survey weekly and change to an unused channel. That doesn't prevent a coach from coming in a running a router broadcasting on the channel we just changed to. Changing a channel takes about 30 minutes, I have to reroute cabling from the router to a laptop, sign in, run a site survey, make any changes, confirm the changes, reboot the access point, reconnect everything, reboot the system etc. During this time, the system must be down. Almost without fail, someone will complain about the system being down while this is being done. I could get up at 3AM, but with my luck someone would still be on the system and lose some 10 gigabit movie download or I will mess up their Swiss Banking transactions or whatever. I did a site survey before responding to this post. I am closed for the season, There are 8 channels being used in my area without any RVs in the park. Some are over 2 miles away, but still are broadcasting a fairly strong signal into the park. I mention all this to re-iterate how much time WiFi takes up. Those thirty minutes a week over a 24 week season means I spend a day and a half just changing channels. It adds up.
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Hi Western,

Why not run the site survey before hand using something like an Alfa 500? That would possibly obviate the need to change the channel. I don't understand why the cabling must be rerouted, for it is quite possible to log in wirelessly, but if it must be a wired connection leaving an ethernet cable connected at the router ready to plug into the laptop would change rerouting into a task of not more than a few seconds.

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Actually, we run a site survey weekly and change to an unused channel. That doesn't prevent a coach from coming in a running a router broadcasting on the channel we just changed to. Changing a channel takes about 30 minutes, I have to reroute cabling from the router to a laptop, sign in, run a site survey, make any changes, confirm the changes, reboot the access point, reconnect everything, reboot the system etc. During this time, the system must be down. Almost without fail, someone will complain about the system being down while this is being done. I could get up at 3AM, but with my luck someone would still be on the system and lose some 10 gigabit movie download or I will mess up their Swiss Banking transactions or whatever. I did a site survey before responding to this post. I am closed for the season, There are 8 channels being used in my area without any RVs in the park. Some are over 2 miles away, but still are broadcasting a fairly strong signal into the park. I mention all this to re-iterate how much time WiFi takes up. Those thirty minutes a week over a 24 week season means I spend a day and a half just changing channels. It adds up.



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QUOTE(pianotuna @ Nov 30 2008, 03:41 AM) *

Hi Western,

Why not run the site survey before hand using something like an Alfa 500? That would possibly obviate the need to change the channel. I don't understand why the cabling must be rerouted, for it is quite possible to log in wirelessly, but if it must be a wired connection leaving an ethernet cable connected at the router ready to plug into the laptop would change rerouting into a task of not more than a few seconds.


I am changing the channel on the Access Points. They must be accessed directly over the ethernet cable, not through the router and the router must be disconnected. Why I don't know, but then again, I didn't make the equipment. Truth be known, it is probably the same reason you shouldn't use your cell phone at a gas station. There is probably a theoretical reason, but I haven't seen that many exploded gas stations across the country. I don't have a remote site survey device. I use the Access point. Might be a good investment, never thought about it. Thanks
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drmcleod   Is It Ok To Charge For Wifi   Jul 18 2008, 05:18 PM
Lindsay Richards   We had another long debate about this a few months...   Jul 21 2008, 02:11 PM
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kcmoedoe   Heck all a park has to do is raise it rates a dol...   Jul 27 2008, 10:20 AM
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pianotuna   Hi Kirk, So are you suggesting that toilets have ...   Aug 17 2008, 01:05 AM
BJMA   to provide WiFi access is dirt cheap and has a hig...   Jul 30 2008, 11:03 PM
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Lindsay Richards   Getting a good WiFi antenna is a must.   Aug 3 2008, 09:04 AM
pianotuna   Hi Lindsay, Any results with range testing on you...   Aug 3 2008, 09:39 AM
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pianotuna   Hi, I just found another site that maps wifi eith...   Aug 9 2008, 08:50 AM
BigDadDogg   I can't leave the technology at home....my who...   Aug 14 2008, 12:57 PM
Texasrvers   I really can see both sides of this issue, and I d...   Aug 17 2008, 12:05 PM
Kirk   Hi Kirk, So are you suggesting that toilets have...   Aug 17 2008, 03:42 PM
pianotuna   Hi Kirk, I have traveled a bit as you may see fro...   Aug 17 2008, 07:28 PM
kcmoedoe   I agree McDonalds is a bad example. Very few peop...   Aug 22 2008, 03:30 PM
pianotuna   Hi, A $75.00 omni directional antenna would ...   Aug 22 2008, 06:25 PM
Lindsay Richards   I usually try to talk with the owners or staff abo...   Aug 23 2008, 12:56 PM
Kirk   pianotuna, I don't understand why a different...   Aug 23 2008, 06:04 PM
pianotuna   Hi Kirk, I believe there are not 16 channels in u...   Aug 23 2008, 08:00 PM
Lindsay Richards   On the other hand, if you park near me and take th...   Aug 24 2008, 05:19 PM
Kirk   On the other hand, if you park near me and take t...   Aug 26 2008, 05:13 PM
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kcmoedoe   Sharing a password that you obtained for a fee is ...   Aug 25 2008, 03:12 PM
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Texasrvers   kcmoedoe, You are absolutely right about someone ...   Aug 25 2008, 03:29 PM
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pianotuna   Hi Just Jack, Welcome to the forum--it is very va...   Oct 4 2008, 10:46 PM
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pianotuna   Hi Western, Well why not change your campground w...   Nov 29 2008, 10:40 PM
westernrvparkowner   Hi Western, Well why not change your campground ...   Nov 30 2008, 01:08 AM
pianotuna   Hi Western, Why not run the site survey before ha...   Nov 30 2008, 02:41 AM
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