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campinngal
post Sep 25 2009, 09:46 PM
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My husband and I are considering purchasing a campground (or dude ranch). My husband has a steady job that he would give up. We are in our 40's. Am just beginning researching this idea and have purchased a book about buying, owning, managing, etc. Have several basic questions and was hoping to hear from campground owners. Hotel values have dropped ridiculously during the recession. My friend in commerical real estate has a resort that was assessed at 10 million, 2 years ago. It's current assessment is 1.5 million. Have the value of campgrounds dropped as well? He says that the standard right now when making an offer is to offer 20 to 30 cents on the dollar and that one cannot judge profits from the last few years in this economy. Thoughts on this (as it would apply to a campground offer)? Would a campground provide a decent living and/or retirement? If you were to have the choice of buying a campground or ranch today, would you do it? If so, would you go for a higher priced campground with a larger profit or a low priced campground with a smaller profit? A seasonal or year round? Both seem to offer the same percentage profit, it's just the numbers are different. Also, what are the benefits and/or pitfalls of going with a franchise (like KOA) vs. an independentally owned campground. Finally, if you can recommend any books, articles, websites, etc., it would be appreciated. Thank you so much. : )
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Lindsay Richards
post Aug 15 2012, 09:24 PM
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I think a fair price is about 5 to 6 times the gross income.


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post Aug 16 2012, 09:17 AM
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QUOTE(Lindsay Richards @ Aug 15 2012, 09:24 PM) *

I think a fair price is about 5 to 6 times the gross income.

Parks are currently selling at between 7 to 11 times Ebidta (earnings before interest,depreciation, income taxes and amortization) That is a much better indication of value than gross income, which can be misleading if expenses are much different that average. You also must factor in any deferred maintance and anything that is out of the ordinary. For example, a quality home for the owner adds value as does any unused acreage. Poor living quarters deducts value. You also must closely examine any market conditions that may fundamentally change the income stream. Lindsay mentioned the property where the new highway bypassed the business. Using the income before the bypass would have resulted in grossly overpaying. Same with parks that earn a lot of income from temporary workers, such as oil field workers. Those workers and jobs eventually move on. On the other side, income may be poised to suddenly rise if a new road is being constructed that will funnel traffic to the park or an attraction is being built or upgraded that will add additional customers. Finally, altenative use valuations sometime come into play. Many RV parks are actually worth more as development property. A person can pay a premium for such parks, use the park's income to pay the carrying costs and eventually sell the park for that higher use conversion and make more money than selling it as an RV park. Just a lot to consider before tossing out or buying any property based on some formula for fair value.
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campinngal   Considering Purchasing A Campground   Sep 25 2009, 09:46 PM
Lindsay Richards   BE CAREFUL   Sep 26 2009, 10:13 PM
kcmoedoe   You can make any offer you wish, but be prepared t...   Sep 27 2009, 11:05 AM
abbygolden   You can make any offer you wish, but be prepared ...   Sep 27 2009, 12:53 PM
rgatijnet   I would think that to some extend a campground is ...   Sep 27 2009, 11:38 AM
kcmoedoe   I would think that to some extend a campground is...   Sep 28 2009, 10:05 AM
Lee and Fran   I know of a park for sell in Utah and the price I ...   Sep 27 2009, 07:01 PM
kcmoedoe   I hope I haven't turned too many people off of...   Sep 27 2009, 07:43 PM
campinngal   Thank you so much, particulary KCMOE for your valu...   Sep 28 2009, 12:54 AM
kcmoedoe   Thank you so much, particulary KCMOE for your val...   Sep 28 2009, 09:37 AM
pogoil   My wife and I are in our 40s and 5 years ago we bo...   Sep 28 2009, 02:38 PM
Lindsay Richards   One thing you must remember in any small business ...   Sep 28 2009, 03:01 PM
kcmoedoe   One thing you must remember in any small business...   Sep 28 2009, 03:14 PM
Gunship Guy   What a great topic. The replies were all very inf...   Sep 28 2009, 09:02 PM
pogoil   What a great topic. The replies were all very in...   Sep 29 2009, 01:36 PM
coacbcps   What a great topic. The replies were all very in...   Sep 29 2009, 03:06 PM
campinngal   Pogoil, Thanks for your insights. Am curious if y...   Sep 29 2009, 10:08 PM
pogoil   Pogoil, Thanks for your insights. Am curious i...   Sep 30 2009, 12:14 PM
Lindsay Richards   Keep in mind that if you live on the property, man...   May 14 2012, 10:48 AM
wantacampground   I would like to revive this topic as I am currentl...   Jun 13 2012, 11:36 AM
kcmoedoe   I would like to revive this topic as I am current...   Jun 13 2012, 11:55 AM
wantacampground   Best place to start is www.rvparkstore.com Many ...   Jun 13 2012, 12:01 PM
kcmoedoe   Kcmoedoe - thank you for your reply. I have read ...   Jun 13 2012, 07:25 PM
wantacampground   I am not sure you will unearth a lot of hidden ge...   Jun 14 2012, 10:11 AM
Lindsay Richards   You might consider scheduling an appointment with ...   Jun 13 2012, 01:17 PM
wantacampground   You might consider scheduling an appointment with...   Jun 13 2012, 02:40 PM
Lindsay Richards   We bought an old house in the down town of a res...   Jun 14 2012, 12:25 PM
kcmoedoe   If you are willing to wade through a bunch of dead...   Jun 14 2012, 01:34 PM
SASMITH   wantacampground, Thanks for reviving this thread, ...   Aug 4 2012, 07:39 PM
wantacampground   wantacampground, Thanks for reviving this thread,...   Aug 15 2012, 02:21 PM
SASMITH   Sorry, been out for awhile. I think it would be gr...   Aug 15 2012, 09:01 PM
Lindsay Richards   We go by there on most trips as it is about 4 or 5...   Aug 4 2012, 07:52 PM
Lindsay Richards   I was going to college in Tampa from 1962 to 1966 ...   Aug 5 2012, 09:35 AM
Texasrvers   SASMITH, We are glad that you are a member of our...   Aug 5 2012, 11:36 AM
SASMITH   SASMITH, We are glad that you are a member of ou...   Aug 10 2012, 07:44 PM
Lindsay Richards   I think a fair price is about 5 to 6 times the gro...   Aug 15 2012, 09:24 PM
kcmoedoe   I think a fair price is about 5 to 6 times the gr...   Aug 16 2012, 09:17 AM


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