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post Dec 24 2011, 11:16 AM
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Hello all,

A previous post suggested a topic on this site for input from RV park owners only, and a moderator suggested to me that we try it. So here goes.

To get the ball rolling: I retired from the U.S. Department of Agriculture in 1998, and our family decided to build an RV Park on property that had been in our family since 1900. We began construction immediately and opened 3 years later on March 1, 2001 Since we had been RVers for about 25 years, we thought that would be no problem. We learned very fast that we didn't know near as much as we thought we did about building, owning and/or operating an RV Park. However, since we opened, we have learned a great deal, and it has been a great experience, although not always totally smooth sailing.

We have met thousands of new friends and few people that we wish we had never met. 98% or more of our visitors are absolute delights to deal with. In my opinion, our challenge as owners is not to allow our experience with the other 2% affect how we deal with the 98%. It is very easy as an owner to sit down and draw up 4 pages of rules because of the problems we have had with the 2%ers, but I try to consider how every rule or policy might impact the other 98%, who would cause no problems even if we had NO RULES..

That is my start to this topic. We encourage input from other park owners, operators or employees on any subject regarding owning or operating a park. We also welcome input from those of you that are not owners or operators if you have pertinent discussion or questions to add. This topic is not meant to closed to any discussions around operating a park; my comments above are just to start the discussions.

Thanks and Merry Christmas to all,

Doug
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QUOTE(Out Fishing @ Oct 25 2012, 05:44 PM) *

We will be compatible with 50 AMP wire and all that. but right now with only one phase power available we may not be able to provide 50 AMP power to a large number of sites.

thats why we decided for the minimal extra infrastructure cost to make all sites compatible with 50AMP. just have 30 AMP breakers.



Now that I know where you are, I am starting to understand a little better, but I still have some questions and concerns.
When you say 50 amp wire, what size do you mean, and how many conductors are in the circuit? It should be at least 6 gauge copper with 4 wires (3 conductors plus a ground wire). Depending on the distance you are running from the main panel, the wire may need to be larger. A 50 amp RV circuit is 240 VAC. Two of the conductors are each 120 volts to provide the 240 volts while the other serves as a neutral. If you run that to each pedestal, you can then use one of the "hot" conductors and the neutral for a 30 amp service. A 30 amp service is 120 VAC.

1. If you are running the proper size wire for 50 amp, it would seem wise to go ahead and use a 50 amp breaker and have a 50 amp receptacle at each site so that a rig with a 50 amp cord can plug in directly without using an adapter. The cost to do this in the construction phase would be much less than trying to go back and retrofit the pedestals later. I understand that you may not have as much need for 50 amp in the milder climate, but there are other things in an RV besides air conditioning that consume as much or more power, though they may only be on for short times. For example, a hair dryer and a microwave can draw 27 amps on a 30 amp 120 VAC circuit if they are on at the same time. If you factor in other electrical loads, the circuit is overloaded for a short period of time which can cause the breaker to trip.

2. Even though the sites are 50 amp, it does not mean that the Main Service panel has to be rated for 50 amps times the number of sites you are serving from that panel. For example, at my park, I have twenty 50 amp sites that are served by one 400 amp Main breaker. Now if you multiply 20 X 50 you get 1000 amps. I know, it sounds like it won't work, but it does, because every site is not always using the maximum amount of current. The highest amp draw I have ever measured on that 400 amp breaker was 380 amps on a 105 degree day when every site was occupied and running their A/C. Some of those were only 30 amp RVs and this was bordering on overheating the breaker. I was surprised it did not trip. In 7 years I have never had a 400 amp breaker trip or burn out. I did not build this park, but it was subject to inspections by the city for compliance with the electrical codes at the time. You should check with your local code enforcement agency to see what would be required in your area.

3. Being on single phase power should not affect your ability to provide 50 amp service. I'm on single phase as well.

I'm not sure how far along you are in purchasing your electrical equipment yet, but this would be my advice:
Wire your pedestals for 50 amp and include both a 50 and 30 amp receptacle as well as a 50 and 30 amp breaker in each pedestal. This way you are prepared to accommodate whatever type of service your guests may need. It may cost a little more, but it will be a lot cheaper than trying to go back later and do it. I think you will have less problems in the long run and more satisfied guests.
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Thanks for the Feedback!

Mainly its just that 3 Phase is cheaper for higher loads. expessaly when the local farm co=op service in the area is a 200amp service and the power company may not be able to give the 1500-3000amp service we may need for a full 50amp service. (using RanMans numbers at less rate)

Thanks for the advice i am inclined now to offer 50 amp if we can in the area. we dont have our electrical engineered drawings anyway yet. but its good to hear from people in the field already so we can avoid mistakes such as 30 amp when the trend is toward 50amp rvs.

(anything in the USA is usably ahead of us by a little bit but the trends hit us eventually)
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Parkview   Discussion Zone For Rv Park Owners Or Operators   Dec 24 2011, 11:16 AM
John Blue   Good start Doug. I hope this will turn out to be ...   Dec 24 2011, 07:18 PM
Chuckl   the moderators may consider making this a sticky   Dec 26 2011, 07:30 AM
Texasrvers   Good suggestion. It is up to the webmaster. We...   Dec 26 2011, 11:31 AM
campergal   Hi there Hope this takes off! My husband and...   Dec 26 2011, 11:59 AM
RanMan   For the past 6 1/2 years I have owned and operated...   Dec 27 2011, 10:46 AM
Don-in-GA   I agree we need a place to share ideas, successes ...   Jan 1 2012, 11:41 PM
Gypsy2   I agree we need a place to share ideas, successes...   Nov 16 2012, 04:46 PM
dalsgal   Don, our campground has a small metal building tha...   Jan 2 2012, 08:13 AM
Don-in-GA   Don, our campground has a small metal building th...   Jan 3 2012, 07:48 AM
dalsgal   I understand your worry but we have never had a pr...   Jan 3 2012, 02:17 PM
RanMan   Don, When I bought my RV Park it did not have...   Jan 5 2012, 02:33 PM
Don-in-GA   Thanks for all that information. I would love to ...   Jan 7 2012, 11:47 PM
SASMITH   Posted to this thread to see what info it brings. ...   Aug 4 2012, 08:12 PM
kcmoedoe   Posted to this thread to see what info it brings....   Aug 5 2012, 09:53 AM
TranQuilguy   Posted to this thread to see what info it brings....   Aug 5 2012, 10:39 AM
SASMITH   kcmoedoe & TranQuilGuy, Thanks for posing the ...   Aug 10 2012, 08:13 PM
Texasrvers   We realize that where a park is located might make...   Aug 5 2012, 11:42 AM
Lindsay Richards   It might be a good idea to talk to the folks next ...   Aug 10 2012, 09:26 PM
Texasrvers   Matt Woodman, We are glad that you are a member o...   Aug 20 2012, 02:41 PM
Matt Woodman   Matt Woodman, We are glad that you are a member ...   Aug 21 2012, 08:58 AM
Matt Woodman   Whoops....sorry about that! I'll repost....   Aug 21 2012, 09:14 AM
kcmoedoe   Reposting my discussion item to meet the requirem...   Aug 21 2012, 09:40 AM
Texasrvers   Whoops....sorry about that! I'll repost....   Aug 21 2012, 04:11 PM
dalsgal   They do make 30 amp, 50 amp and 100 amp GFCI's...   Aug 21 2012, 03:21 PM
kcmoedoe   They do make 30 amp, 50 amp and 100 amp GFCI...   Aug 21 2012, 07:27 PM
Dutch_12078   Matt, is there a local code requirement for the 30...   Aug 21 2012, 08:36 PM
dalsgal   Learn something every day. I have never seen one...   Aug 21 2012, 09:30 PM
Dutch_12078   The entire RV is basically a "portable applia...   Aug 21 2012, 09:50 PM
Out Fishing   Howdy, Unfourtunatly our rv resort is not up and ...   Oct 24 2012, 05:48 PM
RanMan   Howdy, Out Fishing. Your question is not easy to...   Oct 25 2012, 09:53 AM
kcmoedoe   Howdy, Out Fishing. Your question is not easy t...   Oct 25 2012, 03:34 PM
Lindsay Richards   Without giving away any exact locations, the park ...   Oct 25 2012, 10:25 AM
Out Fishing   Good Questions and thanks! We will be compat...   Oct 25 2012, 04:44 PM
pianotuna   Hi Outfishing, A 30 amp site offers up to 3600 wa...   Oct 25 2012, 06:29 PM
Denali   50 amp is not two phase. It is two legs--just as a...   Oct 25 2012, 07:28 PM
docj   Actually, 50 amp power for RVs (and electric stov...   Oct 25 2012, 09:11 PM
pianotuna   Hi Denali, I meant as opposed to three phase powe...   Oct 25 2012, 07:47 PM
Texasrvers   I hope someone is understanding all this. :blink: ...   Oct 25 2012, 09:30 PM
Dutch_12078   Yep, understanding it and agreeing fully with Joel...   Oct 25 2012, 10:12 PM
Denali   Thanks for the correction and lucid explanation, J...   Oct 26 2012, 09:48 AM
RanMan   We will be compatible with 50 AMP wire and all th...   Oct 26 2012, 10:36 AM
Out Fishing   Thanks for the Feedback! Mainly its just that...   Oct 30 2012, 01:30 AM
outdoorfanatic   I apologize for bringing the discussion off subjec...   Nov 27 2012, 08:09 PM
joez   I apologize for bringing the discussion off subje...   Nov 27 2012, 08:41 PM
kcmoedoe   I apologize for bringing the discussion off subje...   Nov 27 2012, 10:29 PM
JohnTucson   I've been following this thread with keen inte...   Dec 1 2012, 08:43 AM
kcmoedoe   I've been following this thread with keen int...   Dec 2 2012, 11:00 AM
Just Jack   I read 90% of this tread and came across one thing...   Dec 19 2012, 02:26 PM
VicG   I read 90% of this tread and came across one thin...   Mar 2 2014, 03:10 PM
RLM   I am not a park owner, but as a frequent customer ...   Jan 11 2013, 11:42 AM
RanMan   This is for parks that are open year-round that ha...   Nov 18 2013, 05:46 PM
noisy   Monthly Guests Any park owners with monthly gues...   Feb 3 2014, 05:19 PM
puddleduck   Monthly Guests Any park owners with monthly gue...   Feb 3 2014, 05:36 PM
hypogi   Monthly Guests Any park owners with monthly gue...   Apr 27 2014, 04:40 PM
dalsgal   We bill ours on a monthly basis depending on when ...   Feb 3 2014, 06:39 PM
Don-in-GA   We also figure our monthly due dates from the date...   Feb 6 2014, 08:09 PM
SASMITH   Need input on installing power meters in our park....   Apr 7 2014, 06:09 PM
GandJ   Need input on installing power meters in our park...   Apr 8 2014, 06:35 PM
puddleduck   Need input on installing power meters in our park...   Apr 9 2014, 08:00 AM
hypogi   Metered sites are a great addition for extended s...   Apr 27 2014, 04:31 PM
Denali   Costs vary not only by usage, but by your local ut...   Apr 7 2014, 07:43 PM
dalsgal   We have metered sites for permanent residents but ...   Apr 7 2014, 07:44 PM
pianotuna   Hi, On a "worst case" basis a 30 amp se...   Apr 7 2014, 11:03 PM


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