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Bearcat
post Mar 13 2013, 04:07 PM
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I know that this issue was brought up in another thread about charging for wi-fi, but, this is a different issue. I called a campground to inquire about space,price, and of course wi-fi.

When I got to the last question about wi-fi, the answer caught me off guard.

Me: Do you have wi-fi?

CG: Yes, for now.

Me: umm, what do you mean? I was thinking that they can't pay their bills or ________.

CG: We've been having problems with illegal downloads of music and sometimes movies. We might have to cancel or restrict sites.

Me: Oh, I got it.


Ok , so why am I posting this thread. I really would hate to see campgrounds start cancelling wi-fi because of this unspoken (hush hush) problem.


Some people might reply and say something like, I don't think the CG will want to lose customers. Well that might be true, but, they are business owners that don't want problems either.



This is only a FYI thread ( nothing more!!)


We know that this issue will continue for many years, I'm only saying that if people want to do this, then they should at least protect the park.

What do I mean? seeing that this is an open forum, I don't think I should give out the program (solution). Unless I'm requested to do so. ( or maybe by PM)

How do I know about this? My son was doing this at his mothers house, she got a {not so nice threat letter} from the internet service. I always wondered how he got 1,900 songs on his Ipod with no job or credit card. lol,lol He lied at first and said he got them from his friend down the street. Lol, well your friend has no job either.

I researched this issue for about 2 days, and I found out what he did wrong. He was not protecting his IP address while downloading. Hint!

I know this is a sensitive post, but, it's happening every day in every CG.

Some parents might ask- Are their warning signs I should look out for? Yes, but let's wait and see if this post goes anywhere.
















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camping1158
post Apr 5 2013, 09:42 PM
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I was talking to a campground owner and I think campgrounds are going to quit offering free (open) wifi and offer a paid service soon.

The reason is when you put up your credit card to buy wifi, then there is a way to track your use of the internet. So if your kids are downloading music or someone is sending Kiddy porn, the campground is not the one who gets in trouble. It changes the “end” user from the campground to the camper. Why would any campground want to face the legal trouble to offer free wifi? Just think of all the bad press if some pervert start downloading kiddy porn at the campground, the campground have a free open system and has no way of knowing who is downloading what. So the cops show up and bust the campground owner for the kiddy porn downloaded at his IP address.

Now why would any owner want to have that type of problem? If he gets hit with a $100,000 find, how many camp sites will he have to rent at $30 per night just to pay the fine? And you won’t want to camp there any more because the campground was in the local paper for kiddy porn. Can you blame them for not offering FREE wifi?
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post Apr 6 2013, 09:50 AM
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QUOTE(camping1158 @ Apr 5 2013, 08:42 PM) *

I was talking to a campground owner and I think campgrounds are going to quit offering free (open) wifi and offer a paid service soon.

The reason is when you put up your credit card to buy wifi, then there is a way to track your use of the internet. So if your kids are downloading music or someone is sending Kiddy porn, the campground is not the one who gets in trouble. It changes the “end” user from the campground to the camper. Why would any campground want to face the legal trouble to offer free wifi? Just think of all the bad press if some pervert start downloading kiddy porn at the campground, the campground have a free open system and has no way of knowing who is downloading what. So the cops show up and bust the campground owner for the kiddy porn downloaded at his IP address.

Now why would any owner want to have that type of problem? If he gets hit with a $100,000 find, how many camp sites will he have to rent at $30 per night just to pay the fine? And you won’t want to camp there any more because the campground was in the local paper for kiddy porn. Can you blame them for not offering FREE wifi?


I think the scenario you are painting is a bit of a red herring. I'm not a lawyer, nor do I profess to have an in depth knowledge of our legal systems but I strongly suspect that you must be in possession of said kiddie porn not just down loading it to be charged. I doubt any law enforcement officer with a lick of sense would ever consider laying such a charge against an RV Park knowing that they are just provide free internet service. Further, there are just too many other businesses such as Hotels, Motels, Librarys, Coffee Shops etc that provide free internet and I doubt that they would be exposing themselves to such a risk.

Free internet is a marketing tool. If a business chooses not to provide the service, they are just making it that much easier for their competition to take over their market.

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post May 30 2013, 01:43 PM
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QUOTE(JDOLLEN @ Apr 6 2013, 11:50 AM) *

I think the scenario you are painting is a bit of a red herring. I'm not a lawyer, nor do I profess to have an in depth knowledge of our legal systems but I strongly suspect that you must be in possession of said kiddie porn not just down loading it to be charged. I doubt any law enforcement officer with a lick of sense would ever consider laying such a charge against an RV Park knowing that they are just provide free internet service. Further, there are just too many other businesses such as Hotels, Motels, Librarys, Coffee Shops etc that provide free internet and I doubt that they would be exposing themselves to such a risk.

Free internet is a marketing tool. If a business chooses not to provide the service, they are just making it that much easier for their competition to take over their market.

Darrell


While I cannot comment on the porn issue, I can say first hand that the file sharing issue is no small matter to be concerned over. I work for a College and we have received multiple cease-and-desist letters from various music and movie organizations due to students using the College network to share copyrighted materials - copyright violations are no red herring, not in today's litigious world. Most libraries, hotels, and chain shops that offer 'free' WiFi now utilize hardware and/or software that attempts to detect and prevent certain types of activity in order to fend off lawsuits.

I have been in numerous discussions related to this issue and my understanding from speaking with various attorneys is that essentially there are laws in effect today that state the organization providing the service is responsible for how that service is used, and if that service is sublet, the organization doing the subletting assumes full responsibility for any criminal activity that it may be used for. Hence the need to register each device to a known identity. Then, when the legal notices start to arrive there is a verified name to hand over so that the park owners do not have to go out of business (and perhaps to prison) for something that someone did using their Internet connection.

The primary issue is that most people are not copyright attorneys so they don't fully understand the reams of small print the RIAA have gotten put into law regarding liability, copyright, licensing v.s. ownership of electronic media, etc. I have worked with organizations who have had to go to court over this very issue, and I have worked with people who's personal Internet service was terminated by their provider for illegal file sharing, so I know that it does not always go unnoticed. I would not be so quick to dismiss this problem as an RV park looking to gouge a little more money off it's customers...


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RVbailman   The Future Of Wi Fi In Campgrounds   Mar 13 2013, 04:07 PM
DXSMac   Um..... you can also "rip" those songs d...   Mar 14 2013, 01:58 PM
RVbailman   Yes your correct- ripping is legal and very common...   Mar 14 2013, 03:47 PM
joez   What he did wrong was the illegal activity (thef...   Mar 15 2013, 09:01 AM
Lindsay Richards   As far as people watching movies on the campground...   Mar 15 2013, 07:25 PM
pianotuna   Hi, Wifi in campgrounds is going to be hard press...   Mar 15 2013, 08:44 PM
docj   Wifi in campgrounds is going to be hard pressed. ...   Mar 16 2013, 11:35 AM
Lindsay Richards   Not sure if this is true for commercial bandwidth,...   Mar 16 2013, 08:23 AM
joez   For those interested, this article from RV Busines...   Mar 22 2013, 04:39 PM
docj   For those interested, this article from RV Busine...   Mar 22 2013, 07:36 PM
kcmoedoe   Re-reading the article a couple of times, I think...   Mar 23 2013, 03:00 PM
RVbailman   Re-reading the article a couple of times, I think...   Mar 23 2013, 03:06 PM
docj   I"ll have to research some more on the WI-FI...   Mar 23 2013, 07:40 PM
kcmoedoe   Even though you can only use the bandwidth you ha...   Mar 24 2013, 12:26 PM
docj   Many times it becomes a "can you hear me now...   Mar 24 2013, 08:49 PM
camping1158   I was talking to a campground owner and I think ca...   Apr 5 2013, 09:42 PM
JDOLLEN   I was talking to a campground owner and I think c...   Apr 6 2013, 09:50 AM
docj   Further, there are just too many other businesse...   Apr 6 2013, 11:01 AM
Dutch_12078   I can envision future scenarios in which CG owner...   Apr 6 2013, 03:26 PM
WrongWayRandall   I think the scenario you are painting is a bit of...   May 30 2013, 01:43 PM


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