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dmsscs
post Aug 14 2006, 08:59 PM
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I have asked around about the whole outdoor wifi thing and it seems to me it isn't as cut and dry as you think. There are many variables, how many trees are there or other things that might interfer with the signal, is the camper you're in metal, do you have an N card or a G card in your computer? Is it compatible with the parks internet service? that interfers, too. I think the camping industry is changing too fast for the parks to keep up with it. I don't think the whole wifi thing is perfected for use in a campground situation. It seems to me there are no parks that have 100% coverage, if there are, I haven't found one yet nor has anyone I have spoken to, including the posters here. I am happy with a central location that I might sit at to connect. I have seen parks with modems on the pay phone, or a spot in a field. Just like cell service, you can't get it everywhere. I was recently in a park that didn't have cable tv, no cell service, no interent service and some kid slammed the handset on the pay phone down so hard it broke the ear piece rendering it unusable for at least two days. I will tell you, without the interference of these modern conviences, we had a great time "camping". We went canoeing, went to the dance, sat by a fire with new friends we made. The grand kids played volleyball, we entered the horseshoe tournament and won a hula contest. If wifi, cable and cell service are the things that are important to you in life, maybe you should stay home where you can get all those services all the time. We enjoy camping....roughing it with our dish network, our microwave, our air conditioning.. yeah roughing it, that is what I like!! wink.gif
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post Aug 15 2006, 07:53 AM
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Everyone has different priorities. To some, the wi-fi service is the most important thing. My concern is that a campground that is absolutely wonderful in every other way will get a low rating based on their wi-fi service. So, I totally agree that a separate rating in the review is a good thing. It shouldn't be too difficult to change the line that has wi-fi from yes or no to a 1 - 10 numerical rating.
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post Aug 15 2006, 09:21 AM
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JUst a comment: if the campgrounds say they have WIFI and it reaches a minimum of 50% of their park, Trailer Life accepts that and gives them points on their inspection based on that. If the range is less than required, they cannot advertise WIFI or get the points for their rating.

So, if a TL rated park has advertised WIFI and most of the park does not received it due to "obstacles" , you have the right as the consumer to contact TL and report them. If they receive enough reports that are negative, they will be checked.

In some cases, WIFI reception has a bearing on how your computer system/WIFI is configured and the composition of your rig - aluminum or wood frame. I believe there are campgrounds out there who are not trying to con you, but are trying to do the best they can. We have gone to some campgrounds that said Free WIFI - but were unable to get reception until we got to the laundry room. Then we had to pay after the 1st 30 min.

Just my POV. Thanks for listening.


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post Aug 15 2006, 02:27 PM
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It needs to be understood that there is not a rv park in the world that cannot provide wi-fi to all the spaces in the park just as long as they are willing to place repeaters and proper antenna throughout the park. I have a MotoSat internet dish atop my coach that feeds down into a wi-fi router inside the coach. I frequently give my access code to coaches as far as ten spaces on either side of me so they can get wi-fi. The world is full of excuses but the bottom line is that, if you are not willing to buy the proper equipment, you cannot serve an rv park. I am tired of hearing these "the dog ate my homework" excuses.
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post Aug 15 2006, 08:58 PM
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I am sure you are right beastdriver, but at what cost to the park? You must remember that everything costs money and those costs are passed on to us the campers. I know for a fact that a park can have 100% service by hardwiring throughout the park, but that means digging ditches, laying lines at a great expense, so if the site rentals go up to cover the cost, will we then be complaining that camping has gotten too expensive? I think the service is free because they can't promise service to all sites and we should be gateful for the service we do get. I am at a park right now and seem to be getting pretty good service. I am in a field, and my dish is working pretty good, too! smile.gif
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post Aug 16 2006, 07:03 AM
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Dmsscs: It costs money to run water lines, but would you stay at a park that wanted you to use water from your neighbor's site even though the park advertised full hookups? Or would you be happy at a park that advertised cable TV but only offered it at a few sites? This whole issue of making excuses for not providing what is advertised by a park is ridiculous. Parks are in business to make money for sure but if they don't deliver what they advertise, then they should be out of business.
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post Aug 16 2006, 11:12 AM
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How many try to hook up an external antenna to their WIFI?
I have a cell phone with a jack for one and when driving we seem to get one more "bar" by using one on the roof of our truck.
My notebook has built in wifi, but I think I have seen some wifi cards with the ability for an external antenna. TigerDirect.com sells an antenna "to optimize antenna placement for wireless PCI cards." # U13-4166 I think I have seen an ad somewhere for a PC Card or USB adaptor that allowed you to use an external antenna.
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post Aug 16 2006, 11:25 AM
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Here is something else I found. But you still have to have an external antenna jack to connect it to. I also found one review on it where the person using it could hit 8 to 10 networks from his beach house. He was thrilled. I assume he is using it to hit open wifi networks. ::::::::::::::::::::
TRENDnet's TEW-OA14DK Outdoor Directional Antenna provides long distance point-to-point connection for your wireless network. As an optional antenna for your IEEE 802.11b, 802.11b+, and 802.11g 2.4GHz wireless network equipment. You can install it outdoors for connecting to networks up to 5 miles (8 Km) away, or install it in the building to blast through obstructions. Designed for wireless access point w/bridge, router with detachable antennas, & PCI adapters with detachable antennas, you can simply mount the antenna indoor on the ceiling, wall, or outdoor tower. Unleash the power of your wireless products with TRENDnet's TEW-OA14DK antenna. Comes with the TEW-2000F N-Type Male to Reverse SMA Female 6 ft. (2M) connector cable and Bracket Kit. Will work with any brand with a Male Reverse SMA connector.


Specifications

Frequency Range: 2400 MHz ~ 2500MHz

Gain: 14.0 dBi

VSWR: 1.4 : 1 Max.

Polarization: Vertical linear

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Weight: 0.825 Kg (1.82 lb)

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post Aug 16 2006, 01:43 PM
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TENDnet sound like a heck of a piece of equipment. You detailed it nicely except for probable price. What say ye?? biggrin.gif
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post Aug 16 2006, 09:32 PM
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Discontinued per cos web site. Closest item is 8dBi Outdoor Omni-Directional Antenna
TEW-AO080
At a list of $49.95
http://www.trendnet.com/products/TEW-AO08O.htm
I think the price of the TRENDnet's TEW-OA14DK was $79.95. at www.Tigerdirect.com
I bought a desktop computer from them years ago (as in 300 mhz) and had no complaints.
They still send me an occasional catalog. They may still have some in stock. We spend 80 to 90 days a year on the road and I could see some value in having something that would both give me a longer range assuming I could get the system to work. At two CGs in Texas, we had good strength but the notebooks could not connect even though we had a good signal. None of us could play with our settings enough to make them work and the CG operator didnt know anything, plus the connection was free, so no one to ask questions of.
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post Aug 16 2006, 09:59 PM
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Beastmaster; actually I stayed at a $100 a night park in the Keys that was supposed to give me 30 amp service, and cable. When we got there, they let the tent site next to us plug into our 30 amp plug and we had to buy an adapter to be able to use the 50 amp plug that was left, even tho we paid for a 30 amp outlet and the site next door wasn't supposed to have power at all. To make matters worse, they unplugged our cable to put a splitter on so the tent site could use the cable, too. It rendered our cable useless because the splitter was so taut that it couldn't keep a good connection. When we went to the office, they simply said, sorry, maintenance went home. Obviously we will never go there again, but yes, I would share water if I had to. I kinda lost sight of what I wanted to say here. Water goes in when they build a camp ground, so those lines are in, the power lines are in and most parks that have sewers put them in when they were built. Internet is all new, these guys would have to dig up the whole place to get it in. If their provider is telling them they will have throughout the park, then the problem lies with the providers. A park may advertise thinking it is going to work, then in use they find out it doesn't work so good. Trailer life is already in print, what can they do now? I agree that it shouldn't be advertised as free if they are charging for it. At a park in Miami they said it was free, when I tried to get on the was a $4.95 charge by the provider, seems the park and the provider were two different things. It didn't matter much, I was never able to make the connection anyway. I think as the technology is perfected we will all be getting better connection, in the meanwhile i think I will get one of those antennas so I won't have to rely on how far a parks system can go. I have a fresh water tank, large holding tanks and a blue boy why not an anntena?! smile.gif
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post Aug 17 2006, 07:52 AM
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I agree they shouldn't advertise as free if there is a fee. Most parks that have water, electric, sewage, phone, cable, and even 50 amp don't advertise them as free. Those sites generally cost much more than a no-hookups site. Maybe they could have the site numbers that actually get the wi-fi listed on the map - like they do cable, sewage, etc. laugh.gif
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post Aug 17 2006, 09:00 AM
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I think I posted this wifi antenna here before but if not here is one that really works great, is very small, needs no card and just plugs into your usb port on the back of your laptop. When I first got mine I fired up my laptop at home using the built-in wifi and received no networks (I don't use wireless in my house) then I installed the Linksys antenna and had 4 networks from neighboring houses and was able to connect to the internet from any of them. You can get varying prices all over the internet usually around $50. Here is Linksys info --

http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c...FVisitorWrapper

I also use a Canary to check for open wireless networks while traveling as it is much faster to find a good wifi hotspot that firing up the laptop. They also run $50-60. Here is their link --

http://www.canarywireless.com/
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post Aug 17 2006, 09:04 PM
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Hello....I had sime problems wiath Wi-Fi in some Parks...Your internal card is only good for about 400 ft....I purchased a Hawkings Technology PC Card wath Hi-Gain Antennia # HWC54D....Circuit City.com.....$59.99 ..Free Shipping...Improves Sianil by 300%...I now have very few problems...We are at a park that has 1 outside antenna for the entire park...I am about 1500 ft. from antennia and get ia Good rated signal....I talked to a Hots/Spotz Tecniacial support...That was his adviceiand it works for me.....The card inside your computer is a 1db. gain ...My Hawkings is a 6db. gaian....Big differance....Do a Google.....Jim A.
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post Aug 18 2006, 04:47 AM
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Thanks to every one for the information on external antennas for wifi. Think I will try at least one of those mentioned. Have made notes on the information offered. biggrin.gif
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