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rangiebob
We are currently at Spring Valley Campground in Cambridge, OH. We are having guests tomorrow that will be visiting us for about 2 hours. I spoke to the manager here and asked if the $2./car per day charge applies to guests who are only staying for a couple of hours and are not using any of the campgrounds facilities (bathrooms, pool, or lake). I was told that we still have to pay the $2.00 fee for each vehicle. I find this to be a very greedy policy. We are parked here for 4 days and have paid full price for this site (no discounts). I can see if our guests were going to use the campground's facilities, but they are not.

We have been living full-time in our motor home for a little over one year and have parked in many campgrounds around the country and have never had any of them ask for money for our guests. Have any of you run into this type of greed before?
Big Ben
It's their park and they have the right to charge for what ever they want. You have the right to complain on here and not stay there again. When folks stop staying there he will change his policies.
rangiebob
QUOTE(Big Ben @ Jun 15 2007, 04:31 PM) *

It's their park and they have the right to charge for what ever they want. You have the right to complain on here and not stay there again. When folks stop staying there he will change his policies.


Yes, I understand that. I was just wondering if anybody else has run into this and, if so, which parks? We have stayed in at least 14 parks this past year and it's the first time for this.
Big Ben
Off the top of my head I can't give you names but we have run into it. In some ways you can't blame them for charging. What if your visitors have kids and use the pool and the wash rooms. Then $2.00 is really cheap. I have been charged that much for a dog.
rangiebob
QUOTE(Big Ben @ Jun 15 2007, 06:40 PM) *

Off the top of my head I can't give you names but we have run into it. In some ways you can't blame them for charging. What if your visitors have kids and use the pool and the wash rooms. Then $2.00 is really cheap. I have been charged that much for a dog.



As I stated in my original post, my guests, even the ones with kids, will not be using any of the facilities at all while they are visiting me. If they were, I agree that the $2.00 fee would be more than reasonable. But they are only going to be here for around 2 hours visiting us for a BBQ. They will be using our bathroom if needed. So I think $2.00 just for visiting me and nothing else is greedy. But I do understand that the Park can change what it wants and I have to accept it even if I feel it is unfair.
John Blue
Candy Hill Campground in Winchester, Va and I hate it. They will run you down to get the $2.00. Nice campground, poor staff.
Texasrvers
To answer your question, yes we have run into this, but I cannot name any specific places. From time to time a review on this site will mention an extra fee charged for children, guests, pets, or extra cars. We do not usually pay attention to extra fees because we do not have kids, extra cars, or even friends for that matter. tongue.gif We do have pets, but I have never chosen to stay at a place that charges extra for them.

My personal opinion is that you should not be charged for guests if they are only visiting for a few hours. As you said you are paying for your site, and it seems that you should be allowed to have guests within reason. Hotels do not charge their guests extra for friends who visit, and this is sort of the same thing. However, I can see the CG owner's point of view. He is providing a site and other services for a fee based on a certain number of people. If he didn't charge for guests I am sure there would be some people who would take full advantage of the situation and invite tons of family and friends over just to use the facilities. I'm betting that many CG owners who do charge for guests, etc. have been burned in the past and just want to keep that from happening again.

On a good note I can say that many parks are very accommodating. We recently stayed at a park in College Station, Texas, because we had 2 relatives in the hospital there. We anticipated that our motor home might be the place where other relatives might go to to rest or have a meal. When we registered we explained the situation to the office person and asked if it would be a problem for people to visit us. He said not at all and even seemed a little surprised that we even asked.

All I can add is that now that you know this type of fee exists you will have to be sure to check in advance with the CG if you are planning to have guests.
harv
QUOTE(Texasrvers @ Jun 15 2007, 09:53 PM) *

To answer your question, yes we have run into this, but I cannot name any specific places. From time to time a review on this site will mention an extra fee charged for children, guests, pets, or extra cars. We do not usually pay attention to extra fees because we do not have kids, extra cars, or even friends for that matter. tongue.gif We do have pets, but I have never chosen to stay at a place that charges extra for them.

My personal opinion is that you should not be charged for guests if they are only visiting for a few hours. As you said you are paying for your site, and it seems that you should be allowed to have guests within reason. Hotels do not charge their guests extra for friends who visit, and this is sort of the same thing. However, I can see the CG owner's point of view. He is providing a site and other services for a fee based on a certain number of people. If he didn't charge for guests I am sure there would be some people who would take full advantage of the situation and invite tons of family and friends over just to use the facilities. I'm betting that many CG owners who do charge for guests, etc. have been burned in the past and just want to keep that from happening again.

On a good note I can say that many parks are very accommodating. We recently stayed at a park in College Station, Texas, because we had 2 relatives in the hospital there. We anticipated that our motor home might be the place where other relatives might go to to rest or have a meal. When we registered we explained the situation to the office person and asked if it would be a problem for people to visit us. He said not at all and even seemed a little surprised that we even asked.

All I can add is that now that you know this type of fee exists you will have to be sure to check in advance with the CG if you are planning to have guests.


I can understand from a guests standpoint why this policy may be confusing or arbitrary. But please consider the problem from a campground's perspective.

We do not own a campground but have workamped at many different places. Some which charge for guests and some which do not. Even if people say they will not be using the facilities there is no way to monitor if they do or do not. Many campers ignore rules and just do as they please. So once you allow someone on the property, they essentially have the right to use all the facilities. Every person that is on the property uses a bit more electricity, water, sewer, parking space, etc. This use is not reimbursed by the origional fee charged to the paying guest. Some people do not abuse guest policies, but many, many campers do. I have seen more abuses than otherwise. They make their campsite the local party place or the large family reunion spot. Just because you may not be doing this, doesn't help the campground owner. He cannot discriminate so he sets his policies so that everybody on the campground can enjoy their visit. One too many guests using the park effects all off the guests, not just you. I do not think greed has anything to do with it, probably just good campground management. Sorry for the long tirade, but I have been on the other side of guests "verbal abuse" from policies that they do not like, too often. Very few have tried to understand the situation. Thanks for listening,
RLM
I am not taking the side of the campground because I think it's bad business, but indirectly your guest might be using some of the utilities in your rig and hence the "facilities" of the CG. And, as mentioned in this thread, the CG probably has been taken advantage of at one time or another. Perhaps the manager doesn't have the authority to make exceptions. Someone else's misbehavior ruins it for the rest of us. That's how rules get into place. Make lemonade from the lemon. Paying the fee will allow your guests to use whatever they want in the CG, too include the pool for the kiddos.

An even more absurd policy is the state park system in Michigan. A fee is charged for every motorized vehicle entering a park. If you have a motor home with a tow vehicle you get charged for the tow vehicle - even if you don't unhook it. Owner's of travel trailers and 5W don't pay an extra vehicle charge because those aren't 'motorized.' Neither do those who tow in a boat even tho the boat has a motor. Hmmm, I wonder if they check in the back of toy haulers?
rangiebob
Thanks for all of your explanations. It does make more sense now. It was just a shock because with all of the campgrounds we've visited since May 2006, this is our first experience with being charged for guests. Now I know why some places do this. Like anything else, the rude people take advantage and ruin it for the courteous ones that follow the rules. We've been lucky to have picked out the campgrounds this past year that haven't had these problems! wink.gif
BBear
I mostly stay at state parks and they don't charge for visitors, but there have been private campgrounds I have stayed at that will refund the fee for the visitors if they stay less than an hour.

I think if a person doesn't use any of the amentities like the pool or the restrooms, they shouldn't be charged at all, but then again, I wouldn't expect the campground owners to have to police visitors to make sure they don't use them.

Then again, the visitors are using the grounds "per se" by just visiting....taking up parking, using the roads, etc..so, I'm on the fence with this one.
mastercraft
We have run into a couple of COE campgrounds that have charged extra for guests. I agree with the post that the guests could be indirectly using the services that the campground provides. By charging a guest fee, they will not have to monitor if the guest uses the facilities. By paying the fee, then the guest can use all facilities.
Beastdriver
I try to avoid RV parks that tack on extra fees. The RV Park industry would be far better served, and make things a lot simpler for RVer's and themselves, if they followed the practice of the motel industry. Wilth only a few exceptions, the motel industry has flat rate pricing. When you check into a motel there is no extra charge for hot showers, no fees for cable television, no charges for wi-fi, and on and on. And, at most motels, if you have guests come and visit with you, but not stay the night, there are no fees involved. Given the fact that the spread between the cost of staying a night at a hotel and staying a night at some campgrounds is getting thinner and thinner, the industry would be well advised to go to flat rate pricing.
denbroncs
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the motel industry has flat rate pricing


Sort of . . . a motel rate is usually based on 2 adults & now a lot of them in our area (Ohio) as well as the cities of Nashville & Indianapolis make us get 2 rooms since we have 4 kids. The Wifi at the last hotel we stayed was $12/ day!! ohmy.gif When we camp, we also have to pay more since those rates do not usually include 4 kids. But it would be unfair for the older couple traveling alone to pay a higher "flat" rate. It would also be unfair to me to have that same older couple have a dozen people for a cookout that came in free because of the "flat" rate. Guests, IMHO, should be charged something simply to discourage abuse or from inundating a campsite (or unsuspecting camper) with unwanted guests.
Butch
As an example of campground owners greed, let me express the dealings with an upstate New York campground a few years back. The time was after the summer season, in October, the pool was closed, the planned activities,(entertainment), had expired, short office/store hours, in other words, it's the "off season". The campground is more or less empty, with the exception of maybe a couple of seasonals. A camping group had reserved fourteen sites, and was occupying those sites. One of the group had invited their daughter and two young grandchildren, to dinner on a Saturday evening. After driving an hour to the campground, they proceeded to the site without stopping at the closed office. Soon after arrival, the campground owner proceeded to the rv unit, and requested the fee for the visiting guests. After much discussion, the rv'er paid the fee, but under protest. The rv'er was the wagonmaster of the group, and stated that the cg owner had received close to $ 800.00 for the weekend at a more or less closed "for the season" campground. I'm sorry, but the $ 3.00 per person visitation fee, for less than two hours, surely looks and smells, in my opinion, like "greed". Needless to say, we did not return to this campground as long as they had owned it. We, as a group had used this cg more than once each year for the three years previously. The cg has changed hands twice since, and we told the new owners, last year, the reason for not using their cg. Their answer was that they would not have asked for the fee under the same circumstance. Only time will tell.
EastPAcamper
Unfortunetly "times are a changin" , I noticed most of the campgrounds around here charge for visitors , either per car , or per visitor. Although I do not agree with it , especially if they only stay for a couple hours. But as some one else said , some people tend to abuse things , and invite everyone form the hometown block. Now I have known some people who have thier visitors call on a cell , when close by, then the campers will meet them at a local store or shopping center and only take the "campers" car back to the c/g. Not that I would ever do that cause that would just be wrong , right?
I know of one c/g they hold the visitors drivers liscense until you leave then , if they were only there a couple of hours they don't charge anything and you get your liscense back. Kinda like a deposit dealie.
Plain and simple it is greed and most of today is all about "show me the money$$$" and I have noticed alot of c/g's are being bought up by corporations anymore, maybe thats where the greed stems from?
Ok enough of my lame cliche's just thought I voice my opinion
Lynn & Louie
Our favorite campground is only 20 minutes from home. We usually get a site on the weekend, which runs around $30.00 per night. We often invite friends up for a BBQ, and have always paid the $5.00 enterance fee for them.

Personally, I don't have a problem with this policy. While visiting, their kids usually use the pool, the playground, fish in the pond, etc. The owners of the campground have to pay for the insurance, and maintenance for all of the above, which ALL users should help pay for, not just the registered campers.

So, for the small "mom and pops" campgrounds, I don't have a problem with this. However, I don't like paying these fees to the large, corporate campgrounds. Silly perhaps, but I'm not a corporate kind of guy.
hdnelson
The bummer of all this is...the cg owners are probably not greedy people by nature, but some idiot along the way violated the policies, made it a hell of a lot of work for the owners, hence more fees and rules.

Hmph.
GaryWT
I wish I could find a campground that was only $2 per car load, try up to $6 for kids, $8 per adult, more for overnight. And unfortunately even if you are not using the pool or anything, they would have to hire someone to watch to see if visitors used things they said they did not, also should campers get a lower rate if they do not swim? Places can get over run if they do not have policies and fees.

I take as example my scouting days when at the banquet it cost a family $15 for the meal, as in $3 for kids and $6 for adults with a max of $15 per family. Suddenly we had families of 15 or 20 people showing up to eat with all the cousins, aunts etc coming in. A new rule had to be made to fix it.

Still, $2 is cheap and in 18 years of camping I do not recall any place not charging for visitors.
sparky
you'll love it in Lots of Virginia Campgrounds, they are charging "Hotel Tax"
well im in my hotel---why am i being charged for a hotel---im not in their cabins--im in my Motorhome-
definately a unfair tax....
sparky.
rangiebob
QUOTE(sparky @ Jul 16 2007, 08:59 AM) *

you'll love it in Lots of Virginia Campgrounds, they are charging "Hotel Tax"
well im in my hotel---why am i being charged for a hotel---im not in their cabins--im in my Motorhome-
definately a unfair tax....
sparky.



Hotel tax? That's so not right. I'll have to pay more attention to that because I haven't noticed it before. A hotel tax for a motor home that we're already paying all the expenses for does not equate to a cabin that the campgrounds are paying the expenses for in any way.
Glenn Norton
Here in Penticton some of the RV parks charge for guests and some even do not allow guests! Most of the campgrounds are close to the beaches and I suppose the park owners do not want guests to have free parking and use of their facilities. I remember at one campground down in the States where I was given a card to fill out to find out how well they are serving their registered campers. I think all RV parks should do this and one of the questions that should be on the list is about guests and what payment if any registered campers are willing to pay for them. smile.gif
Rookiecampers
I don't think its greedy. 2.00 is cheap. They would have to pay if they were visiting you at a state park b/c there is an entry fee at most places. I have only stayed at one campground where they charged guests a fee and it was 3.00 per car. Now if it was 3.00 per person, I'd have a problem with that.
BBear
QUOTE(sparky @ Jul 16 2007, 10:59 AM) *

you'll love it in Lots of Virginia Campgrounds, they are charging "Hotel Tax"
well im in my hotel---why am i being charged for a hotel---im not in their cabins--im in my Motorhome-
definately a unfair tax....
sparky.


Actually it's called a transient occupancy tax and the revenue it garners goes into promoting tourism...so it doesn't have to come out of the general government budget. You're not being charged for a hotel or a cabin and while you may be in your own motorhome, you are taking up space as a hotel or cabin would.

Here's a link to the bill:

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?051+ful+SB793
BRANDYC
QUOTE(rangiebob @ Jun 15 2007, 03:35 PM) *

We are currently at Spring Valley Campground in Cambridge, OH. We are having guests tomorrow that will be visiting us for about 2 hours. I spoke to the manager here and asked if the $2./car per day charge applies to guests who are only staying for a couple of hours and are not using any of the campgrounds facilities (bathrooms, pool, or lake). I was told that we still have to pay the $2.00 fee for each vehicle. I find this to be a very greedy policy. We are parked here for 4 days and have paid full price for this site (no discounts). I can see if our guests were going to use the campground's facilities, but they are not.

We have been living full-time in our motor home for a little over one year and have parked in many campgrounds around the country and have never had any of them ask for money for our guests. Have any of you run into this type of greed before?


We are currently staying at Heartland Rv Resort in Greenfield, IN and they charge $4 a guest here and they have to be gone by 10pm I dont think its right but they get away with it. and yes it sucks.
T Lynn
QUOTE(rangiebob @ Jun 15 2007, 04:35 PM) *

We are currently at Spring Valley Campground in Cambridge, OH. We are having guests tomorrow that will be visiting us for about 2 hours. I spoke to the manager here and asked if the $2./car per day charge applies to guests who are only staying for a couple of hours and are not using any of the campgrounds facilities (bathrooms, pool, or lake). I was told that we still have to pay the $2.00 fee for each vehicle. I find this to be a very greedy policy. We are parked here for 4 days and have paid full price for this site (no discounts). I can see if our guests were going to use the campground's facilities, but they are not.

We have been living full-time in our motor home for a little over one year and have parked in many campgrounds around the country and have never had any of them ask for money for our guests. Have any of you run into this type of greed before?




Absolutely. We have also stayed where our guests have been allowed free access to our site as long as it is not overnight. I feel as you do that if the guests are not using any of the CG's facilities I don't understand the charge. We like to have company in for dinner. We eat inside the RV, use our own facilities, visit for several hours and then they're on their way. No intrusion on the campground. What gives? dry.gif
Mikeeg
The $2 fee is a bargain as this passed weekend we stayed in a CG in Conn. and they charge $15.00 per guest. Granted they have a great swimming lake and pools but $15 is wacked. blink.gif
dmsscs
QUOTE(rangiebob @ Jun 15 2007, 12:35 PM) *

We are currently at Spring Valley Campground in Cambridge, OH. We are having guests tomorrow that will be visiting us for about 2 hours. I spoke to the manager here and asked if the $2./car per day charge applies to guests who are only staying for a couple of hours and are not using any of the campgrounds facilities (bathrooms, pool, or lake). I was told that we still have to pay the $2.00 fee for each vehicle. I find this to be a very greedy policy. We are parked here for 4 days and have paid full price for this site (no discounts). I can see if our guests were going to use the campground's facilities, but they are not.

We have been living full-time in our motor home for a little over one year and have parked in many campgrounds around the country and have never had any of them ask for money for our guests. Have any of you run into this type of greed before?

Just about every park out our way charges for guests, many limit sites to 5 people and anyone over that pay a nightly or daily fee. I always pay with a smile becuase I once owned a seasonal business and I know how hard it can be, if one of your guests were injured while in the park, I am sure you would expect them to pay the medical bills. These places must have some pretty steep expences and only a short time to make the money to pay them, mortgages, payroll, repairs and INSURANCE!! I would never own another seasonal business again. If your friends were joining you at Disney, they'd have to pay to get in, if you were at the movies or a concert, they'd have to pay to get in. I think $2 is pretty cheap, we have seen it as high as $10
dmsscs
QUOTE(Beastdriver @ Jun 17 2007, 08:13 AM) *

I try to avoid RV parks that tack on extra fees. The RV Park industry would be far better served, and make things a lot simpler for RVer's and themselves, if they followed the practice of the motel industry. Wilth only a few exceptions, the motel industry has flat rate pricing. When you check into a motel there is no extra charge for hot showers, no fees for cable television, no charges for wi-fi, and on and on. And, at most motels, if you have guests come and visit with you, but not stay the night, there are no fees involved. Given the fact that the spread between the cost of staying a night at a hotel and staying a night at some campgrounds is getting thinner and thinner, the industry would be well advised to go to flat rate pricing.

But most hotels are getting over $100 per night, with no entertainment, not dj's on Saturday night, no kids crafts, no hay rides, no nothin', just a room. I think I would rather keep the cost down by havng them charge the people that are using each thing rather than one big lump sum for all. If it is just me and my hubby, why should we pay the same rate as my son, his wife and the four kids? He should pay a visitors fee for the extras., even a hotel room is based on single occupancy. I had a seasonal business once, we had a small ride that went around the property. In the beginning it was free, but people would ride it over and over and over, so we had to start charging to limit the number of times one kid would ride, it gave other people the opportunity to ride and kept the lines from being too too long. I think that is why some places charge for showers, too. I could stay in a nice hot shower for a long time, and I am sure you would hate waiting for me to free up that shower for you to use, if there was any hot water left when I was done!! I just think that most of these places have a reason for the way they do things, just because we are not privvy to them doesn't mean they aren't valid reasons.
Happy_Trails
Thousand Trails takes a "deposit" from guests of $5 per car.
When our children visit, they bring 4-5 grandchildren, if they stay less than 3 hours, there is no charge. If longer, its $5

We have no problem with that, they use all the facilities, and have loads of fun, most of the time for an entire day...

Even if guests stay only an hour, the management has no way of knowing if your guests use any of the facilities. Many would say NO, but they don't even know if that will or will not happen, as we can't control others, they could even stop at the pool in the way to our site, etc... They can stop and use restrooms, play games, or whatever... Allowing 3 hours without charge in our opinion is very reasonable. $5 for an entire day in Thousand Trails, in our opinion is MUCH BETTER than a days stay in National or State Parks, with a lot more amenities.... Yet, such Parks charge for the entrance to the park, for ALL visitors, even those just visiting a campground, still have to pay for park admittance.
T Lynn
QUOTE(John Blue @ Jun 15 2007, 10:40 PM) *

Candy Hill Campground in Winchester, Va and I hate it. They will run you down to get the $2.00. Nice campground, poor staff.



I keep seeing the same complaints over and over about Candy Hill in Winchester, VA. We are going to be staying there enroute to Ohio this month and already I'm concerned about the "military style" these park owners seem to display. So many of the reviews on this site keep repeating the same negative comments. What's up Candy Hill? I understand "some" people have a problem with rules but must everyone pay the price? dry.gif
ljevtich
I like the idea of the campground charging for guests.

Reason being, we were at one campground, the person next to us had three or four cars around it, (thereby those that were staying had to park further away), extremely rambucous kids, with loud dogs. That campground did not charge for guests.

Going to another campground, Candy Hill, in Winchester, VA where they charge for guests, so hopefully will not have that problem.

The way I see it, you go to a national, state, or regional park and they charge you to go in, so why not a private campground as well? You know someone will be using the bathroom, the pool, the gameroom or even walking their dog. Makes sense to me.
BJMA
I just stayed at the same campground. They were hosting some sort of midevel renisance festival (sorry, I cannot find the spell checker). After the battle, the lines formed up for the showers. They left the place a real mess. I wonder if they had to pay $2.00 per shower?

I too avoid the extra charge for everything parks. I do not understand why they charge extra for your kids, extra for your pets, then they have permament residents making some sites real dumps.

When we overnight, I will try to find a campground instead of parking in the WalMart lot. The park gets my money, then they add $2/kid and $2/dog, I would stay in the Walmart lot just to "vote with my wheels".
muddysuzi
I think it is rediculous. I don't patron parks that practice greedy policies such as this.

If I see rules and regulations that charge extra for more than two people (who ever camps with just two people?) then I don't go there.
bj41
We are from NJ and camp alot in Pa also, it is normal practice in these campgrounds to charge for day visitors, it is usually around $5.00 a person
Now when we go south for the winter, there isn't a charge a any of the campgrounds we go to.
I personally don't like it as we are usually paying $40.00 a night.
Texasrvers
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who ever camps with just two people?


Us!

But I do agree that it is ridiculous for parks to charge for every little thing. I certainly think there shouldn't be extra fees for children or pets (within reason) if they are members of one immediate family. But I can understand why some cg owners charge for extra people. There are jerks that would pay the going fee and then call all their relatives and friends to join them. In this case it is not fair to the cg owner to have all these extra people using the facilities--pool, game room, showers. I'll bet owners who do charge this way are protecting themselves because they have been burned in the past.

Also look at it from our side. If we pay a fee for a site that would allow us to have 3-4 children with us, wouldn't it be nice if we could pay $6-8 less because there are only two of us. Why should we pay for extra people? If you look at it this way the family of four gets a real bargain, and the two old folks get scr..... ahem, less of a bargain. Now in all honesty we don't approach cg fees from this point of view. We actually prefer a set price that includes all the amenities, and we will pay that fee even if there is only two of us.




DXSMac
Hey, good idea. ANd how come I have to pay the TWO people rate when I only have one person and a cat?

JJ
Texasrvers
QUOTE(DXSMac @ Jul 9 2008, 09:46 PM) *

Hey, good idea. ANd how come I have to pay the TWO people rate when I only have one person and a cat?

JJ


If I remember correctly your cat is the size of a small person!! And you consider him a member of your family, so maybe they should charge for him. (just kidding biggrin.gif )
Godsey97
Hi Yall...

New to the board, and this may have been addressed in the past, but I can see both sides of this argument.

We travel and camp with our yellow lab. We usually wind up having to pay $2.00 extra a night for her. Thats fine I guess, it is not like she uses any of the facilities like the pool or bathhouse etc... but I just figure that into the cost of camping. What I have noticed here lately is that some campgrounds are now saying "rate based on two persons, any person(s) over the total of 2 will be charged (X.XX) per night". OK. I can stomach the dog fees, but I feel that if you are traveling as a family, MOM-DAD-SON-DAUGHTER, why do I have to pay extra for the kids, we should be considered a unit. And yes, before you say it, I vote with my wheels and don't camp at such chintzy outfits, just saying it does not seem right.

As to the issue of guests...I can see their point....If they had a policy that guests for just a couple of hours wont be charged, then nobody would ever be staying for more than an hour or two. I used to work partime at a Class "A" ballpark in my town. People was always try to beg us at the gate to "go to the bathroom and come rightback out" or "Can I just get in long enough to buy (Pretzel, Polish Sausage, etc) from a concession stand and come right back....they never came back and you layed low to avoid you. Now they have just enjoyed the same experience as those that had to pay but cheated the ownership our of a ticket, so I can see the fee for guests side of it.
sparky
There is a very nice campground in Powhatan,Va the Good Sam group I belong to.we used to go there twice a year---16-17 rigs and for three nights each time---well the "greedy" son decided to tack on $5.oo per visitor per day---since we had 2 more couples that lived a couple miles away they wanted to just come in for the groups meeting saturday night---no useage of pool are anything---we stopped going there---he lost big bucks---I asked him"son" how he justified the $5.oo fee per person---he said---i do fine with out you all---so we will never go near his place i we all tell others not to too.the Good Sam state Director used to have meetings there twice a year too--25 or more rigs---well that doesn't happen any more either
so DO NOT go there--
sparky.
drmcleod
This is a difficult question to answer. Why? Because I can see reasons for both sides to be right. My personal feeling is... No, additional fees should not be charged for visitors. However, additional fees should be charged for guests. What's the difference? Time.

Visitors are people who may need to enter the park to pick up their dinner guests or maybe just see their friends RV, while guests stay and use the parks facilities.

If the person places no additional burden on the park, then they are a visitor. If they utilize the c/g's amenities, then they are a guest.

The problem is... how to police this.

I know I have had situations where we have traveled great distances with our RV to stay in an area close to friends. However, if we wanted to go out to dinner with them, then they would have had to pick us up. I have felt very embarrassed to find that our friends have had to pay for the our convenience of picking us up. This may have been only 10 minutes in the park, but the gestapo at the front desk demanded payment.

On the other hand, what do we do? Those who are paid campers wear blue bracelets, guest wear red and visitors wear yellow? I hope not!

However, with hundreds of thousands of c/g's in the world and RVing being as popular as it is today, you'd think someone could come up with an acceptable answer.
Texasrvers
drmcleod,

I like your take on this situation and your definitions of visitor and guest. I could see both sides of the question also, but had never really thought about the difference between visitor and guest. I have always thought that if someone comes to pick you up or "visit" for an hour or two, they should not be charged. But so many times that visitor is really a guest who uses the cg facilities, and that is not fair to the cg owner.

As I read your post I was already thinking about how visitors/guests could be policed. I guess it all boils down to honesty on the camper's part. If there is a charge for "guests" then the camper should be honest enough to pay the fee. And I'm sure the majority of campers would do so. But as we all know there will always be some jerk who will try to cheat the cg and get as much as he can. I've said before I'll bet that many cg owners that charge for all visitors/guests have been burned at sometime in the past. I can understand their feelings, but it is too bad that all of us get punished because of the bad behavior of a few.
kcmoedoe
If the additional guest fees would keep away some of the visitors at some parks I have stayed at I would suggest ALL campgrounds adopt the policy. The fact that they are only there "a couple of hours" may not seem significant to you, but it was a nightmare for us. There is nothing worse than having plans for a nice barbeque and have the neighbors host their entire family reunion on their adjacent site. These "guests" descended like a swarm of locusts. Kids bikes, footballs and frisbees where everywhere, including bouncing off our RV. The fact that someone rents an RV site shouldn't give them the right to pack every square inch with people. This particular group had no less than 30 people in a 75 x 25 RV site. True, they only stayed 4 hours, but it seemed like an eternity as objects kept thumping our rig. Park management told us that their policy allowed siteholders to have guests provided they did not stay overnight. The park graciously refunded us for the night. However, we are only able to take a two week vacation once a year. This meant that one of our 14 days or relaxation was taken from us. The money really wasn't as important as the lost day. We didn't even feel we could leave the RV and travel in the toad, we were so concerned about what would hit the RV next. The point of this long diatribe is that there is a third party involved when RVers have guests. It is not only a matter of concern to the siteholder and the RV Park.
Texasrvers
kcmoedoe,

You prove my point. Whether they are "visitors" or "guests" some people are jerks and take unfair advantage of the situation.
pog
I can tell you from a RV park owners view that every time a guest flushes a toilet weather in your rig or in our restroom it costs money. Paper towels, toilet tissue, hand soap all cost money. Also parking spaces, insurance exposure if a guest were to fall or slip on something has to be considered as well. So there are reasons to charge for guests. I can tell you we do not but we do charge if they stay over night. So we eat the cost of daytime guests but is does bother us. Our rates are based on 2 persons per rig. We do not charge for pets and never understood this before we bought a park as we always cleaned after our pets. Everyone claims to clean up but our daily walk of the park tells us this is not true.
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