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David Spangler
We are newbies shopping for a motor home. We found a '99 Discovery by Fleetwood 36R diesel pusher with 31K miles. It's very clean but we were warned about the LP Onan 6KW generator fuel consumption. Seems that at 1/2 power, the fuel consumption would be .5 gal/hr and at full power .8 gal/hr. So, if we are on an extended trip and run out of LP, all electrical and systems which require LP would be out of order.

Anyone with experience in this, please let me hear from you.

Thanks!!
gwbischoff
QUOTE(David Spangler @ Sep 13 2007, 02:28 PM) *

We are newbies shopping for a motor home. We found a '99 Discovery by Fleetwood 36R diesel pusher with 31K miles. It's very clean but we were warned about the LP Onan 6KW generator fuel consumption. Seems that at 1/2 power, the fuel consumption would be .5 gal/hr and at full power .8 gal/hr. So, if we are on an extended trip and run out of LP, all electrical and systems which require LP would be out of order.

Anyone with experience in this, please let me hear from you.

Thanks!!


Three things come to mind.

1. How much dry camping do you expect to do?

2. How much LP can you hold?

3. Don't run out of LP. biggrin.gif
David Spangler
We intend to go to NM and 4-wheel the National Forest for 3 or 4 days. My understanding is that the LP tank is 30 gal, so would last less than 60 hours running 1/2 power continuously.

QUOTE(gwbischoff @ Sep 14 2007, 02:19 PM) *

QUOTE(David Spangler @ Sep 13 2007, 02:28 PM) *

We are newbies shopping for a motor home. We found a '99 Discovery by Fleetwood 36R diesel pusher with 31K miles. It's very clean but we were warned about the LP Onan 6KW generator fuel consumption. Seems that at 1/2 power, the fuel consumption would be .5 gal/hr and at full power .8 gal/hr. So, if we are on an extended trip and run out of LP, all electrical and systems which require LP would be out of order.

Anyone with experience in this, please let me hear from you.

Thanks!!


Three things come to mind.

1. How much dry camping do you expect to do?

2. How much LP can you hold?

3. Don't run out of LP. biggrin.gif

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John Blue
David,

This information may help you. Below are BTU's in three fuels.

Diesel = 139,000
Gas mid grade = 125.000
Propane = 91,600

You can see propane is low on energy. Good part is low noise and low emissions. Bad part is high fuel use and cost, also may be hard to find people who can repair it. Diesel is the best with low noise, low fuel use, long life, and no problems. Gas engines are the pits due to noise, fuel use, and very high emissions like CO.

Your fuel use per hour may be on the low side, more like diesel consumption to me. Here in FL years ago GTE run all cars and trucks on propane for over ten years due to tax breaks. Clean air and engines but very poor fuel mileage and low power. Propane was dumped.

Do not run out of propane out in the woods. sad.gif
ddbradley952
QUOTE(David Spangler @ Sep 13 2007, 02:28 PM) *

We are newbies shopping for a motor home. We found a '99 Discovery by Fleetwood 36R diesel pusher with 31K miles. It's very clean but we were warned about the LP Onan 6KW generator fuel consumption. Seems that at 1/2 power, the fuel consumption would be .5 gal/hr and at full power .8 gal/hr. So, if we are on an extended trip and run out of LP, all electrical and systems which require LP would be out of order.

Anyone with experience in this, please let me hear from you.

Thanks!!


Duh? Can't anyone figure this one out? huh.gif

See, you always want your generator to run off the same fuel and tank your motorhome runs off of. In the diesel world, you're always talking big bucks. A diesel generator cost's a lot more than a gasoline or propane generator, and since gasoline was not an option, some cheep-skate tried to save a few thousand dollars by going with a propane generator. This was a huge mistake when you look at the big picture. sad.gif

When you look at the big picture, it goes like this; people who buy diesel powered engines do so for reliability. they plan to spend a lot of time driving and they do not want hastles. They do not want breakdowns, problems, etc. they just want to get in and drive, that's why they spent the big bucks in the first place that the average person can't afford. rolleyes.gif

NOW, when it comes to camping, I HONESTLY CANNOT THINK OF ANYTHING THAT IS MORE OF A HASTLE than filling propane.

Finding a place that fills permenantly mounted bulk LP tanks on a motorhome goes like this; first you have to find a place by asking every gas station in town. Then you have to drive all the way across town to see if they are open. Then you have to find out if they know how to fill permenently mounted bulk tanks or can they only do small portable tanks. Then, you find out that they are too busy at the time and when you finally think you do have it right, you can't back up into the spot because you have a 36' rig! BIGG BIG PIG HASTLE!! mad.gif

Sure would be nice if it had the right generator, heck, passed up 36 diesel truckstops already today!!! blink.gif

By the way, if you think your propane tank will last very long, guess what! It won't. A 100lb or 20 gallon tank that costs aprox $50.00 to fill will be consumed by a 4,000 watt generator in about 48 hours and a 6,500 wat generator like yours will consume it in 30 hours. Most campers and motorhomes have propane tanks much smaller than this. This means you will need to refill it and find a place that can every single day. Diesel! smells good all of a sudden! tongue.gif

The only pro's to propane is that the fuel never goes stagnant in the carbeurator like gas does. But niether does diesel, when compared to gasoline. This means that if you fail to follow the manufactures instructions to EXERCISE YOUR GENERATOR 1 HOUR PER MONTH, that fuel will not be the cause of your proplem if it breaks down. MOST GENERATOR PROBLEMS ARE CAUSED BY A LACK OF USE.

Here is an interesting rule of thumb about diesel VS gas. A diesel engine costs twice as muuch to buy, it runs twice as long, for about half the price of gas, but also costs twice as much to fix. Also most diesel breakdowns are related to fuel delivery, where as most gas engine prublems are electrical or overheating related.

If you ever wondered why everything doesn't run on diesel is because of dollars and sense. You will not automaticly save money simply by buying diesel. As a general rule in the transportation industry you will only reach significant savings if you operate more than 25,000 miles per year. that's 500 miles per week minimum. wink.gif cool.gif
ddbradley952
QUOTE(David Spangler @ Sep 13 2007, 02:28 PM) *

We are newbies shopping for a motor home. We found a '99 Discovery by Fleetwood 36R diesel pusher with 31K miles. It's very clean but we were warned about the LP Onan 6KW generator fuel consumption. Seems that at 1/2 power, the fuel consumption would be .5 gal/hr and at full power .8 gal/hr. So, if we are on an extended trip and run out of LP, all electrical and systems which require LP would be out of order.

Anyone with experience in this, please let me hear from you.

Thanks!!


Click to view attachment*Duh? Can't anyone figure this one out?****

See, you always want your generator to run off the same fuel and tank your motorhome runs off of. In the diesel world, you're always talking big bucks. A diesel generator cost's a lot more than a gasoline or propane generator, and since gasoline was not an option, some cheep-skate tried to save a few thousand dollars by going with a propane generator. This was a huge mistake when you look at the big picture.
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When you look at the big picture, it goes like this; people who buy diesel powered engines do so for reliability. they plan to spend a lot of time driving and they do not want hastles. They do not want breakdowns, problems, etc. they just want to get in and drive, that's why they spent the CAKE in the first place that the average person can't afford.
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NOW, when it comes to camping, I HONESTLY CANNOT THINK OF ANYTHING THAT IS MORE OF A HASTLE than running around filling propane.
Click to view attachment
Finding a place that fills permenantly mounted bulk LP tanks on a motorhome goes like this; first you have to find a place by asking every gas station in town. Then you have to drive all the way across town to see if they are open. Then you have to find out if they know how to fill permenently mounted bulk tanks or can they only do small portable tanks. Then, you find out that they are too busy at the time and when you finally think you do have it right, you can't back up into the spot because you have a 36' rig! BIGG BIG PIG HASTLE!! mad.gif
Click to view attachment
Sure would be nice if it had the right generator, heck, passed up 36 diesel truckstops already today!!!

By the way, if you think your propane tank will last very long, guess what! It won't. A 100lb or 20 gallon tank that costs aprox $50.00 to fill will be consumed by a 4,000 watt generator in about 48 hours and a 6,500 wat generator like yours will consume it in 30 hours. Most campers and motorhomes have propane tanks much smaller than this. This means you will need to refill it and find a place that can every single day. Diesel! smells good all of a sudden! tongue.gif
Click to view attachment

The only pro's to propane is that the fuel never goes stagnant in the carbeurator like gas does. But niether does diesel, when compared to gasoline. This means that if you fail to follow the manufactures instructions to EXERCISE YOUR GENERATOR 1 HOUR PER MONTH, that fuel will not be the cause of your proplem if it breaks down. MOST GENERATOR PROBLEMS ARE CAUSED BY A LACK OF USE. EXERCISE YOUR GENERATOR!!!
Click to view attachment
Here is an interesting rule of thumb about diesel VS gas. A diesel engine costs twice as muuch to buy, it runs twice as long, for about half the price of gas, but also costs twice as much to fix. Also most diesel breakdowns are related to fuel delivery, where as most gas engine prublems are electrical or overheating related.
Click to view attachment
If you ever wondered why everything doesn't run on diesel is because of dollars and sense. You will not automaticly save money simply by buying diesel. As a general rule in the transportation industry you will only reach significant savings if you operate more than 25,000 miles per year. that's 500 miles per week minimum in the long run. wink.gif cool.gif
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Butch
Having just read the previous posting, some of the information put forth within that post is the very reasons we chose to purchase a "gas motorhome". By the way, I do not know where you live but diesel fuel here is not half the price of gasoline, as per your posting, in fact it is higher than gasoline. Maintenance cost on diesel units, such as parts, air, oil, & fuel filters, and the oil itself are more costly than the same components used on gas units. Overall the diesel will cost more money to purchase, operate, and maintain. Some units require the use of diesel power due to the weights and mass, but those units will not out last the running gear provided. So does an individual get his monies worth with this type of purchase? I guess that depends upon the needs of that person.
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