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Beastdriver
By now, I should not be surprised at the stupidity often exhibited by Washington, but I am. Today, I received in the mail the government "coupons" good for $40 off TV converter boxes to be used when the nation switches over to digital TV next year. Remember, we have until mid-February to install these boxes on our older motorhomes but, when I looked at the coupons, I note they expire in 90 days and are not good for the months that follow. We are leaving in a few days on a seven-month trip and it is not convenient for me to put the motorhome in the shop for the upgrade, but the wizards of Washington didn't even consider this. I'll toss the coupons and install the converter when I am ready. Can somebody explain to me why our government issued coupons to convert prior to the switchover deadline in mid-February, but made the coupons worthless fully EIGHT MONTHS before the changeover? Wonders never cease!
Big Ben
You will probably be more upset when you find out that I agree with you on the idiots in Washington. I too was surprized that we actually had a common ground. Please don't take it to hard. wink.gif
DXSMac
QUOTE(Beastdriver @ Mar 18 2008, 05:32 PM) *

By now, I should not be surprised at the stupidity often exhibited by Washington, but I am. Today, I received in the mail the government "coupons" good for $40 off TV converter boxes to be used when the nation switches over to digital TV next year. Remember, we have until mid-February to install these boxes on our older motorhomes but, when I looked at the coupons, I note they expire in 90 days and are not good for the months that follow. We are leaving in a few days on a seven-month trip and it is not convenient for me to put the motorhome in the shop for the upgrade, but the wizards of Washington didn't even consider this. I'll toss the coupons and install the converter when I am ready. Can somebody explain to me why our government issued coupons to convert prior to the switchover deadline in mid-February, but made the coupons worthless fully EIGHT MONTHS before the changeover? Wonders never cease!


What do you mean..... "put the motorhome in the shop for the upgrade????" I don't have my coupon yet. I figured the converter box was just a box with cables that I could install myself! Why would we have to put our motorhomes in the shop to have the converter box installed? Am I making an incorrect assumption here?

Couldn't you take your coupon with you and buy the box on your way somewhere?


JJ
Beastdriver
To Ben: Actually, I agree with you more than I disagree. You would be surprised, too.

JJ: You don't know me, but I can't sharpen a pencil without screwing it up. When I look at all the wires, connections, plugs, etc., on our tv/sound sytem, there is no way I am going to try to put in a converter box, not to mention I have no idea where it goes. Perhaps you will have better luck!
gsbogart
QUOTE(Beastdriver @ Mar 19 2008, 10:26 AM) *

To Ben: Actually, I agree with you more than I disagree. You would be surprised, too.

JJ: You don't know me, but I can't sharpen a pencil without screwing it up. When I look at all the wires, connections, plugs, etc., on our tv/sound sytem, there is no way I am going to try to put in a converter box, not to mention I have no idea where it goes. Perhaps you will have better luck!



Beastdiver

Your statement in II really sums up in a more descript and succinct way than I would have ever been able to articulate, regarding some of your previous comments in this forum. But..... what can I say....You said it all.
denbroncs
I already have one of these & they are not a big deal. Basically, it goes between your antenna and your TV. If you can hook up a VCR, you can do this. If you struggle with the VCR, then head for the shop. biggrin.gif
Beastdriver
gsbogart: Thanks for the compliment. By the way, have you ever had a single post without a mispelled word? Its Beastdriver, Botart.

denbroncs: Thanks for the advice. I'll try it.
RLM
I suspect that everyone, except the worst of the liberals, knows that our policy makers couldnít find their butts with both hands in broad daylight.

It normally would be a simple installation, but keeps in mind that also having a satellite receiver, VCR, DVD player, or surround system in line with the TV will make it a bit more complicated. In addition, if there is a switching control box for different TVs in the rig, then it will also be a little less simple.

Iíve wanted to replace the boat anchor TV in the rig with a flat screen for some time. Iím going to put the converter box money into one of those. By the time anyone paid a shop bill plus the cost of a box, you could buy the newer TV.

Do we need to call the Kindergarten Cops? laugh.gif
Ed Mac
Gee, I remember when I first started camping way back in the late 50's. No million dollar movie star coaches. No one knew what a fifth wheeler was. A tow behind tent camper was the best of the best. No cell phones, no satellites (never mind satellite dishes) and you were lucky if your "C" cell battery powered radio lasted all day. DVD players and VCRs? Cable hook ups and WiFi? Gray water tanks and black water tanks? People respecting each other and each other's camp site? People cleaning up after themselves and their dogs and children? No loud, blaring radios and boom boxes, and partying well after the posted quiet time. Profanity! Booze! Maybe I'm just an old fashioned ground camper and Liberal purest, but, from what I've seen and continue to see while out and about, leads me to believe that all the idiots are not in Washington. Happy trails!
denbroncs
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Gee, I remember when I first started camping way back in the late 50's. No million dollar movie star coaches. No one knew what a fifth wheeler was

The irony is that it is not uncommon to see a camper that is irate because there are "too many trees" and he cannot get his satellite to function. Camping now means something different to almost everyone.
Me? Camping is being in an area that has so many trees that I would not even consider bringing a satellite dish. My wife would prefer the coach was without a TV - but cmon, it's March Madness!! laugh.gif
Beastdriver
One of the beauties of RV'ing is that there are as many opinions, likes, dislikes, preferences, and attitudes as there are people. Somehow, we all get along and, for the most part, respect each other's space. It's a huge country with vast spaces and widely diverse camping opportunities. There is a place for everyone.
Butch
QUOTE(Beastdriver @ Mar 20 2008, 09:28 AM) *

One of the beauties of RV'ing is that there are as many opinions, likes, dislikes, preferences, and attitudes as there are people. Somehow, we all get along and, for the most part, respect each other's space. It's a huge country with vast spaces and widely diverse camping opportunities. There is a place for everyone.



Everyone ????? Even Jerry ?????????

A reply to the subject of the time limit on the converter coupons:
Maybe it's one of Washingtons' answers to stimulate the declining economy......
One never knows how or what those in Washington are thinking.......
Beastdriver
Butch: Ha! Ha! Yes, even for Jerry. He means well, I'm sure, but his pomposity is a bit difficult to take sometimes.

And you give too much credit to Washington for thinking, something that is apparently alien to those bureaucrats.
DXSMac
QUOTE(denbroncs @ Mar 19 2008, 10:11 AM) *

I already have one of these & they are not a big deal. Basically, it goes between your antenna and your TV. If you can hook up a VCR, you can do this. If you struggle with the VCR, then head for the shop. biggrin.gif


Debroncs, does it allow you to get the channels you can't on an analog? I do subscribe to cable, and supposedly, if you subscribe to cable, you aren't supposed to need a converter. Well, I disagree with that statement. Why? Because, at home, I have both an analog and digital TV. Recently, when my cable company sent out a statement saying that more digital channels were available, I rescanned the digital, and I got three extra channels (in addition to a gazillion audio channels), but I cannot get these channels on my analog. That's why I'm getting a tuner, to see if it will give me at least the three extra channels. I can do without the audio channels.

JJ

QUOTE(denbroncs @ Mar 20 2008, 07:11 AM) *

The irony is that it is not uncommon to see a camper that is irate because there are "too many trees" and he cannot get his satellite to function. Camping now means something different to almost everyone.
Me? Camping is being in an area that has so many trees that I would not even consider bringing a satellite dish. My wife would prefer the coach was without a TV - but cmon, it's March Madness!! laugh.gif


I guess I look at it as.... the reason for RV'ing is to see stuff. If your TV doesn't work because there are too many trees in the way, oh well, take it in stride. The RV is merely a shelter over your head. Ok, I do love to watch TV, but not to the point where I GOTTA have a satellite.... On the other hand, if I were to get into camp hosting, then maybe we would be talking satellite....

JJ
denbroncs
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Debroncs, does it allow you to get the channels you can't on an analog? I do subscribe to cable, and supposedly, if you subscribe to cable, you aren't supposed to need a converter.

If you have cable, you may or may not get HD channels that are currently available over the air for free. I have the DISH and I do not get any local channel in HD - but I can receive a HD signal over the air (for free) with a converter or a simple HD antenna. For example, channel 6 is abc; 6.1 is 24 weather; 6.2 is 24 hour live doppler radar - those channels are not offered with cable. The only advantage of cable are the cable channels, i.e. ESPN, CNN, etc.

Please take note that if you have a HD television and an antenna that picks up a HD signal, you will not need a converter. If you do not have an HD television, a HD antenna or converter will allow you to tune into HD channels although they would not actually be in HD.
DXSMac
QUOTE(denbroncs @ Mar 20 2008, 02:27 PM) *

Please take note that if you have a HD television and an antenna that picks up a HD signal, you will not need a converter. If you do not have an HD television, a HD antenna or converter will allow you to tune into HD channels although they would not actually be in HD.



Ok, I don't care if they are in HD or not, I just want to get the extra channels that I can't get on my analog. Actually, the HD doesn't mean a thing to me. I just watch the show, I don't care about seeing the wrinkles in the actor's skin...... dry.gif

JJ
firesafety552
QUOTE(denbroncs @ Mar 20 2008, 03:27 PM) *

If you have cable, you may or may not get HD channels that are currently available over the air for free. I have the DISH and I do not get any local channel in HD - but I can receive a HD signal over the air (for free) with a converter or a simple HD antenna. For example, channel 6 is abc; 6.1 is 24 weather; 6.2 is 24 hour live doppler radar - those channels are not offered with cable. The only advantage of cable are the cable channels, i.e. ESPN, CNN, etc.

Please take note that if you have a HD television and an antenna that picks up a HD signal, you will not need a converter. If you do not have an HD television, a HD antenna or converter will allow you to tune into HD channels although they would not actually be in HD.



are we talking HD or Ditigal..not all is going to HD in Feb....My understanding if, you have cable or sat, and a Digital capable TV..then you won't need to do anything...also the outside antenna, for the analog will work for the digital...my humble opinion after reading a bunch of staff.
Big Ben
There seems to be more than a little confussion here. We were talking about HD, and that is what the converter box is for. If you don't have a HD TV you will need a converter box or you will not be watching TV.
That is why our wonderful fathers in Washington see fit to send us $40 so we can all still watch them on TV.
firesafty I think you need to to go back to reading. With out an HD TV or a box you will be out ofTV. rolleyes.gif
Texasrvers
Hmmm, doesn't sound like the confusion is cleared up yet. The following is quoted from the dtv.gov website.


It is important to understand that the DTV transition is a transition from analog broadcasting to digital broadcasting. It is not a transition from analog broadcasting to High Definition broadcasting. Digital broadcasting allows for High Definition broadcasts, but High Definition is not required, and you do not need to buy a HDTV to watch digital TV. A Standard Definition DTV (which is simply a TV with an internal digital tuner), or a digital-to-analog converter box hooked to an analog TV, is all that is required to continue watching over-the-air broadcast television. Digital broadcast television includes Standard Definition (SD) and High Definition (HD) formats. You can watch High Definition programming on a Standard Definition DTV (or on an analog TV hooked to a digital-to-analog converter box), but it wonít be in full High Definition quality. It is also important to know that Standard Definition DTVs are comparably priced to similar sized analog TVs.
Big Ben
Well maybe I need to go back to reading. Bottom line is if you have an older tv you need the box or you can't watch tv correct?
Wadcutter
QUOTE(Big Ben @ Mar 22 2008, 09:47 PM) *

There seems to be more than a little confussion here. We were talking about HD, and that is what the converter box is for. If you don't have a HD TV you will need a converter box or you will not be watching TV.

Yup, there is confusion alright. The above is not correct. We're talking digital. That's what the converter box is for. To convert an analog signal to digital. Nothing at all to do with HD. The converter box is NOT for HD. The box is for digital converstion. HD and digital are 2 separate things.
The old signals that came out on the airwaves was/is analog. In Feb 2009 it will be digital. The conversion box changes the digital signal to analog so older TVs can still be used.
If your current TV is digital then you won't need the converter box.
Whether the TV is HD or not doesn't matter. HD is the type of screen quality your TV has. Digital is the signal that comes over the airways. Converting the digital signal to analog is what the converter box is for.
Ed Mac
I have been a member here for just one week. I like it! Thanks for making it available to serious campers of all types. I especially like the adult content of the postings. I'm no prude (where've you heard that before) but it's refreshing to chat with people who have a common interest and who show so much respect to one another. Keep it up folks and Happy Easter to all. See ya on the road. Keep and eye out for the "Fleetwood Mac".
Texasrvers
Here's how I understand it. Anyone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

If you have an analog TV (generally the older ones), and if you receive your signal over the airways then you must have a converter box to watch programs on that set after Feb. 2009. The converter box will convert the digital signal that is being broadcast back to analog so that the analog TV can display it. This is the minimum you have to do to keep watching TV and then only if your TV is analog and if you use an antennae. If your TV can already receive a digital signal you will not need to do anything. Also if you subscribe to a cable or satellite service that service makes the conversion for you, and you will not need to do anything--even to analog TV's.

After you are receiving a digital signal you must then decide whether you want to view it in standard definition or high definition (HD) format. If standard definition is ok for you then you don't have to do anything else. Your converted analog TV and your digital ready TV will show programs in standard definition. But if you want high definition you have to get a high definition TV. Apparently you can watch a channel that is in HD format on a converted analog TV or a digital TV, but it will not be as good as having an HD TV.

Am I right so far? Now let's go a little further. Even if you have an HD TV you may not get to watch all programs in HD format. A particular station must broadcast in HD before your HD TV can receive and display it. As I understand it some stations now broadcast in both standard definition and high definition format. Both digital and HD signals can be received with an antennae over the airways, but you must have an HD TV to watch the program in HD format.

Also if you receive your signal through a cable or satellite service you may have another problem. Take our case for example. We subscribe to a cable service. That cable service takes the HD signals from the channels it markets and assigns them to a cable channel number that is different from the standard format channel number. The cable company then sells an HD package that you must pay for if you want to watch programs in HD. We have both analog and digital TV's hooked up to our cable service. We do not have a converter box on the analog TVs and we receive the signal just fine. We do not have an HD TV so there is no need to subscribe to the HD package. However, even if we did have an HD TV we still would not get the HD format unless we paid the cable service for for their HD package.

This is a very confusing situation. I hope I have my facts straight, and that I haven't passed along any misinformation. I also hope this has helped shed a little light on what you may need to do concerning the conversion.
Beastdriver
Forget my earlier post about the stupidity of our government issuing 90 day expiration dates on the Converter Box $40 coupons, and my statement that I had never seen anything as stupid. From today's news:

1. The government is now having US Passports printed in Europe, and then sent to Malaysia for encoding with microchips. Duhhhhhhhh! Do you think this will end well?

2. The government is now investigating the firm that got a $300 million contract to supply arms and ammunition to our allies in Afghanistan. Seems the arms they are shipping to our allies are old, outmoded, and broken, and the ammunition they are shipping is 40 year old useless ammunition they bought off the Russians for virtually nothing. But the real clincher is that the firm to which the buttheads awarded this $300 million contract doesn't even have an office, but operates out of a post office box in Ft. Lauderdale, FL. The president is a 22 year old guy and the Executive Vice President of the firm is a massage therapist.

I don't believe this represents the depth of their stupidity. I am just waiting for the other shoe to drop.
DXSMac
QUOTE(Texasrvers @ Mar 23 2008, 11:34 AM) *

Also if you subscribe to a cable or satellite service that service makes the conversion for you, and you will not need to do anything--even to analog TV's.


I beg to differ on that. What you said above is what we are all being told. But in reality, I'm calling "Mommy mommy the emperor isn't wearing clothes."

I have a TV that gets both standard and digital. I also have an analog TV. Further, I do subscribe to cable. I was watching the Digital TV on standard until my cable company told me what channels had moved to digital. So, I changed the input to digital and rescanned. Guess what, I got three extra channels, plus a crapload of "audio" channels. Now, according to what you said above (which we are all being told....), those three extra channels (I don't care about the audio channels....) should show up on my analog TV because I have cable. BUT THEY DON'T! I'm afraid to call the cable company for fear that maybe it's a mistake.....

That's why I ordered a coupon! Even though I have cable! And someone else on these boards already said they had their coupon, and I haven't gotten mine yet!

JJ

QUOTE(Beastdriver @ Mar 27 2008, 05:21 PM) *

Forget my earlier post about the stupidity of our government issuing 90 day expiration dates on the Converter Box $40 coupons, and my statement that I had never seen anything as stupid. From today's news:

1. The government is now having US Passports printed in Europe, and then sent to Malaysia for encoding with microchips. Duhhhhhhhh! Do you think this will end well?

2. The government is now investigating the firm that got a $300 million contract to supply arms and ammunition to our allies in Afghanistan. Seems the arms they are shipping to our allies are old, outmoded, and broken, and the ammunition they are shipping is 40 year old useless ammunition they bought off the Russians for virtually nothing. But the real clincher is that the firm to which the buttheads awarded this $300 million contract doesn't even have an office, but operates out of a post office box in Ft. Lauderdale, FL. The president is a 22 year old guy and the Executive Vice President of the firm is a massage therapist.

I don't believe this represents the depth of their stupidity. I am just waiting for the other shoe to drop.


Oh crap. I do not want my passport sent out of the United States when I renew.

As for the arms and ammunition, if you watch the movie "Sum of All Fears" (Morgan Freeman, one of my favorites, although Ben Affleck was the star....) they kind of hinted at this.....

Um, I was a "Fed" for 25 years. I know what the contracting procedures are. From what you describe, it sounds to me like someone didn't properly do a "Pre-Award Survey" or if they did, it was slipshod.

What really gets me is.... if you have questions about passports, you are forced to call a "1-900" number. I find this irritating.

JJ
Texasrvers
JJ,

I read your post several times to be sure I understood you and that we werenít saying the same thing just in different ways. But when you said you could not get some of the digital channels on your analog TV that made me rethink everything I thought I understood. Also we have probably beat this poor horse enough, but here goes again. Now remember Iím no expert. Iím just trying to understand all of this like everyone else.

First, when you say you ďhave a TV that gets both standard and digital.Ē I am not sure what you mean. I did not think this was how it worked. I thought you got either an analog or a digital signal. Then after you were receiving a digital signal you could watch it in standard definition or high definition. Both analog and digital TVís have the capability to display both the standard definition and the high definition broadcast, but the high definition signal will not be much better (if any) than the standard signal unless you actually have a high definition TV.

Also, yes, I am (was) under the impression that if you hooked up your analog TV to a cable service you would receive and be able to see all the same channels as a digital TV on the same service. Our analog TVís do this. As far as I know we get exactly the same channels on the analog TVís as we do on the digital with two BIG exceptions. 1. We subscribe to some movie channels on one digital TV only. We do not get these on any of our other TVís no matter what they are. We do have a ďboxĒ on this TV because that is how the cable company regulates access to the movie channels we pay for. If we had a box on the other TV's we should be able to get the movie channels on them also (with one exception, see #2) 2. One of our analog TVís is SO old it is not able to receive channels above 99. I guess its tuner just doesnít go that high. (I know itís ancient, but it works and it's even in color.) So in this case we do not get all the digital channels that are available from the cable service. I just donít know enough about it to understand why your analog TV does not receive the exact same channels as your digital TVís, but is it possible your analog TV is so old you have the same situation as we do?

Bottom line seems to be that you know how it works at your house, and I know how it works at mine (at least I think I do). And I guess thatís the best we can do for now. Gee, we didnít even get to the TVís in our RVís yet. Wonít that be fun?
denbroncs
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First, when you say you ďhave a TV that gets both standard and digital.Ē I am not sure what you mean. I did not think this was how it worked. I thought you got either an analog or a digital signal.

You can only receive what the station broadcasts. For example, some stations broadcast only in analog while others broadcast in both analog & digital. A HD TV can receive either signal, but an older TV can only handle an analog signal - unless it has a converter box to unscramble the digital signal. However, a converter box only allows you to watch the programming. It will not produce a high definition picture on a non-HD TV.
DXSMac
QUOTE(Texasrvers @ Mar 27 2008, 09:06 PM) *

JJ,
First, when you say you ďhave a TV that gets both standard and digital.Ē I am not sure what you mean. I did not think this was how it worked. I thought you got either an analog or a digital signal. Then after you were receiving a digital signal you could watch it in standard definition or high definition. Both analog and digital TVís have the capability to display both the standard definition and the high definition broadcast, but the high definition signal will not be much better (if any) than the standard signal unless you actually have a high definition TV.

Also, yes, I am (was) under the impression that if you hooked up your analog TV to a cable service you would receive and be able to see all the same channels as a digital TV on the same service. Our analog TVís do this. As far as I know we get exactly the same channels on the analog TVís as we do on the digital with two BIG exceptions. 1. We subscribe to some movie channels on one digital TV only. We do not get these on any of our other TVís no matter what they are. We do have a ďboxĒ on this TV because that is how the cable company regulates access to the movie channels we pay for. If we had a box on the other TV's we should be able to get the movie channels on them also (with one exception, see #2) 2. One of our analog TVís is SO old it is not able to receive channels above 99. I guess its tuner just doesnít go that high. (I know itís ancient, but it works and it's even in color.) So in this case we do not get all the digital channels that are available from the cable service. I just donít know enough about it to understand why your analog TV does not receive the exact same channels as your digital TVís, but is it possible your analog TV is so old you have the same situation as we do?


My digital TV (It's a VIZIO brand) has two inputs (where you connect the cable). One input is "standard" and when I scan the channels on "standard," I get the same channels as my analog TV (which I purchased in 2002, so it's not that old....., it's actually a 14 inch flat screen liquid crystal display). The other input is "digital" and when I scan under the "digital" input I get those extra channels. I put a splitter on it so I could switch back and forth between standard and digital. I don't know why I would want to do that, but I just did it anyway.

Again, the digital input of my VIZIO TV scans three extra channels (and a crap load of audio channels) that I CANNOT GET ON MY ANALOG! (I also cannot get those channels on the STANDARD input of the VIZIO TV.) So, I ordered a coupon! But I don't have it yet. Again, I say, "MOMMY MOMMY, THE EMPEROR IS NOT WEARING CLOTHES!"

As for the TV's in our RV's problem. My Forest River Sunseeker 2860 (purchased in 2005) has an analog TV. The coupon I ordered was actually supposed to go in my RV, but I was going to swap it back and forth between my home (analog TV) and my RV. But, I solved the RV problem by, guess what, traded up to a new RV (as of two days ago)! Haven't picked it up yet, but soon I will be camping in a Forest River Sunseeker Model 3120! With a DIGITAL READY TV. Now my RV Televison problem is the dealer's problem. Kind of an expensive way to solve that problem. (the way the TV was installed in the Model 2860, well, it would be a pain in the butt to switch the TV's.....)

JJ
denbroncs
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But, I solved the RV problem by, guess what, traded up to a new RV (as of two days ago)!

Thank you, DSMAC, for pointing out the most simple of solutions. Forget the coupons - if one just trades in their TV (with RV attached) they will receive a new High Definition TV (with RV attached) that will ensure their compatibility over the air for years to come. Sometimes the best solutions are often the most overlooked. laugh.gif

It bothers me that the government is involved in this in the first place. Coupons? Cmon. Don't forget that the government has nothing to give to us that it has not taken from us in the first place.
Beastdriver
There is another solution but I reommend you not take it. I saw an ad for a firm in Elkhart that replaces your old analog TV with a new bigger screen digital TV. This would solve the problem of the converter box. Unfortunately, I asked for, and received, a quote. The quote to remove our old 26" TV and modify the coach for a 36" flat screen digital TV, was $9,500, AND THAT DID NOT INCLUDE THE COST Of THE TV!. I think I will do just fine having a converter box installed and watching the 26" unit.
Texasrvers
JJ,

Congratulations on your new RV. Your story about buying it to get a new digital TV sounds similar to what we did. We went to Camping World one day just to buy toilet paper and came out with a brand new motor home. Unfortunately it did not come equipped with toilet paper. We still had to buy that. laugh.gif

Spring is here so get out there and have some fun in your new RV!
DXSMac
QUOTE(denbroncs @ Mar 28 2008, 07:15 AM) *

Thank you, DSMAC, for pointing out the most simple of solutions. Forget the coupons - if one just trades in their TV (with RV attached) they will receive a new High Definition TV (with RV attached) that will ensure their compatibility over the air for years to come. Sometimes the best solutions are often the most overlooked. laugh.gif


Reminds me of a Bill Engvall (Blue Collar humor) joke:

"Get a new RV?"

"Nope, got a new TV. RV came with it. HERE'S YOUR SIGN!"

And when people that know I have the 2860 see the 3120 and ask, "Didja get a new RV?" I'm actually going to say, "Nope, got a new TV, RV came with it."

JJ biggrin.gif laugh.gif
FosterImposters

Absolutely love the Blue Collar boys:
...Git er done
...Here's your sign
...Tator tot
...you know yer a Redneck, if... wink.gif

You GO girl !!!!
tongue.gif
Texasrvers
JJ,

I laughed out loud when I read your "Here's your sign" joke. I'm still laughing. Good one!
Trentheim
Before this discussion becomes even more muddied, let me suggest a link that should clear things up:

http://dtvfacts.com/digital-tv-converter-box/

It's simply worded, it's direct, and you can follow links to your specific issues.

In the RV world, the main problem would be over the air signals going digital. A simple converter box costing around $50-$60 solves the problem. It's no bigger than most DVD players and should be easy to install for a lot of RVers.

DXSMac
QUOTE(Trentheim @ Mar 31 2008, 06:30 AM) *

Before this discussion becomes even more muddied, let me suggest a link that should clear things up:

http://dtvfacts.com/digital-tv-converter-box/

It's simply worded, it's direct, and you can follow links to your specific issues.

In the RV world, the main problem would be over the air signals going digital. A simple converter box costing around $50-$60 solves the problem. It's no bigger than most DVD players and should be easy to install for a lot of RVers.


Although the web site mentioned above didn't specifically come out and admit it, if you "read between the lines," there was an implication of the issue I brought up earlier: "If having cable means we don't need to do anything, how come I get four extra channels on my digital TV but don't get them on my analog TV?" It was in the section about "not being authorized to downconvert."

I still don't have my coupon. I just checked my printout, and I "fessed up" about having cable. I should have lied.

JJ
DXSMac
I finally got my coupon! Originally, this coupon was supposed to be for the TV in my RV, but that is now a "moot" point. However, I'm going to get a box for my analog TV in my bedroom at home and see if it makes a difference in the channels I can scan.....

The "coupon" is more like a debit card, with a number on it, that I'm sure is tied to your name somewhere......

There is a list of specific model numbers that are "authorized" for the coupon.

Also, if you are in a "low power" area (you receive your analog signal through a translator station), there are certain models you should buy, they are shown on the "authorized list" with a "star" ( * ). These models are capable of passing an analog signal through to your TV set. If you are a "full-timer" that bops around a lot to different areas, you might want to be sure to buy one of the models that is good for "low power" areas.

According to this website ( https://www.dtv2009.gov/lowpower/ ), "translator" stations are not required to comply with the Feb 2009 edict. If there is any chance you would travel to a "low power" area, you need to buy the model that can pass through an analog signal to your TV. One such model that is "marked" as such is ECHOSTAR TR-40 and MAGNAVOX TB-100MG9. This part doesn't make "sense" to me. A translator station can only rebroadcast what it gets, and it would seem to me that the translator stations are merely rebroadcasting the digital signals, unless they are rebroadcasting them by turning them into analog...... Who knows! I'm not an engineer!

On the "questions" page, it says, "does the coupon need to be activated" and the answer is "no, it is already active." I called around to ask if you had to provide your name and address to use these (I'm a privacy freak, I don't give out my stuff unless the law says I have to!). Best Buy said "NO." RadioShack said, "We have to ask your name and zip code only...." They didn't say if that was a RadioShack policy or the fed's requirement for redeeming the coupon......

Oh yeah. The "authorized" stores are: Best Buy, Circuit City, RadioShack, and Wal-Mart. There are also a couple of "e-tailers" that are authorized for online ordering.

JJ
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