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dangerzone66
My family and I have been camping for many years. About two years ago we were introduced to the world of time share camping by a company called Travel Resorts of America, at their Gettysburg Battlefield Resort in Gettysburg, PA. All in all, the facilities were nice, so we sat in on the sales meeting, just to see what it would be about. They told us about their package which included a lifetime membership to their resorts (they have a sister resort in NC) with no additional camping fees, stay for two weeks at a time, then out a week and you could come back for two as often as you liked or any time frame smaller than two weeks, and the ability to transfer your membership to up to 4 generations of your family, which would mean our kids could inherit the membership at no additional cost and have "free" camping for a lifetime. It sounded good to us as we enjoy camping immensely, and our kids do too. There was an option to upgrade to a "platinum" version of the plan within the first 24 months of the contract which would allow use of on site cabins and other additional amenities. We weren't too concerned with this, because we enjoy our travel trailer and wouldn't really take use of those other things. We signed up for the contract and bought into the program for $3500.00.

With the current economy and other things life throws your way, we found out after a year that we weren't using the membership as we thought we would. We had been camping a total of 4 days that year at their resort. Most of the time it was because when we called for reservations, they would tell us they were full for that date. Every time we called it was the same thing. We decided to cancel our membership since we weren't using it, and we still had about $1700 to pay on it. The woman we spoke to in there office explained rudely that to cancel, we would have to pay the contract in full, then we would be able to cancel. They would take us to collections if we didn't. Who in there right mind would pay $3500.00 to go camping for 4 days? We reevaluated our situation and figured it was not worth the hassle of fighting this. We would pay up the contract and then have the rest of our lives to enjoy camping, even if we didn't get out much for the first couple of years. So we did.

A few weeks ago we were contacted by a salesman in regards to upgrading to the platinum plan. We told him we would just stick with our current plan the way it was, because we didn't have any additional money to spend for the upgrade, plus we did not foresee us using the cabins or other benefits included in that plan. He then told us our current contract would expire in a year if we did not upgrade. My reaction - WHAT?!! He said the contract was a trial membership for 3 years with the option to upgrade to full membership in the first 24 months of the contract. When we explained the way it was written on our contract, and that we were told it would be a lifetime membership with the option to upgrade to platinum during the 24 months, he agreed with us they way it was worded sounded misleading. But our membership would still cancel in a year if we did not upgrade.

We have contacted their offices, the Better Business Bureau, and the Attorney General's office describing this "bait and switch" scam to great length, and looking for a resolution. We would like to get at least part of our money back since we haven't use the facilities much during the time we were members. As of this writing, the reply from the manager of the resort chain has indicated to us they have no intentions of refunding our money, and that we just misunderstood the contract. He didn't even get my last name correct on his letter, showing even more how they don't care about their customers, only thier money. I am a contractor and deal with contracts every day of my life. I think I would know what to look for.

Has anyone else had this kind of thing happen to them? How did it work out for you? HELP!
Lindsay Richards
If you ever want to go camping in Florida, I have some swamp land I can sell you. Sorry for your problems. You are probably in with a lot of others in this type of thing. Condo time shares are rampant in Florida and there are many horror stories. Many were sold with payments stretched our over 7 years and "maintenance fee" of $300 to $500 that goes on forever. They say you can trade and sell them at a profit which is untrue. Many folks just walk away and they have teams of lawyers that do nothing but try to get the money. They are expert at getting the money also and the contracts are air tight. They go after your credit rating. I would suggest spending the money for an hour of a good local attorney in your area to see what can be done. The are sites on the internet you might find that can test if others have had the same problem with them.


Good Luck
dangerzone66
Swamp land...Sounds interesting. We figure there are more folks out there who were taken by this as well. Yes there was a "maintenance fee" of about $300 a year to go along with it. We spoke with a friend who is an attorney, and he said the way the contract is written (badly), it could go either way, and with the amount of the contract only being $3500, there wasn't enough money involved to make it more than a small claims situation anyway, which means no lawyer involvement or we would have to pay for him. So that is why we went to the Attorney General's office at the state level, to see if they could make a little more headway. To date they have not replied to the AG. You saw in my post the reply from the BBB contacts, also with little result. And the sad part of all of it was when we had a chance to sit down and think about it afterwards, we thought we might have made a mistake. Boy were we right. Now we just want to get the word out and stop this from happening to anyone else. Do you know of any of those sites? I would like to do that. Thanks Lindsay!
HappiestCamper
Sorry you got messed up with those people - glad I didn't. We bought a new camper last October from Camping World, and it came with a free visit to those people. I never gave it any thought, and last month some lady from there called me. She went on and on about the wonderful resort it was, and all the amenities they had. I explained to her that we don't go to those kind of places - we simply do the state and national parks, or boondock. She couldn't believe we wouldn't be interested, and kept going on about all the activities for my kids. She finally got it when I told her that where we go, my kids get to go swimming, tubing, fishing, hiking, learning about nature, etc., and that when we were at home they could go to the pool and do video games.
Denali
Thanks for posting your cautionary tale. It may well help someone else avoid one of these deals.
FosterImposters
Good grief Dangerzone66, this sounds positively awful. Thanks for taking the time to post as a 'heads up' for the rest of us!
NorthernIllinoisPlumber
What a bad experience...my wife and I were bilked $500 for a travel package back in the 1990's. Heck, we even returned the package, recieved no refund, and was never even given the chance to try any trips!

The more you work trying to get your money back, the more frustrated you will get. May I suggest a trip to the area in the summer at another campground, and set up a protest outside of their facilty with informative banners? Or book a reservation, and let everyone know what a scam they are while you are there?

Good Luck!
Lindsay Richards
If you look at it from their standpoint they probably have many others in the same position as you. They surely donít expect to keep the money from everybody. At some point the real jerk among you is going to become more trouble than he is worth. If you fight them at each turn and make them realize you wonít give up until you get out of it, then they just might save themselves some money and hassle by giving in. We did this several times when we were in business and had somebody try to screw us. We just outlasted them and made a game out of it.

Good Luck
coacbcps
I'm sorry that you had such a bad experience but thanks for the educational lesson. Most people might have been too embarrassed to admit that they have been bamboozled. By sharing with such detail what happened to you, you have allowed others to learn from your mistake. Those sales people double talk so fast that it's easy to be duped. Again, thank you for sharing because this is just the kind of thing that I could have fallen for.
dangerzone66
Well the game is afoot...Thank you all for your replies and kind words of encouragement. We have resolved ourselves to the fact that we probably won't be gatting our money back any time soon, if at all. Right at the moment, we are still waiting on the continuing efforts of the BBB and the PA state Attorney General's office. If we get no due recourse from these entities, the real fun will begin. Thanks to you HappiestCamper for the heads up that they are passing out those "free" camping tickets with RV sales at Camping World. That's the thing that got us into this mess in the first place. I have seen CW's display's and salespeople at the Hershey RV show before. They really seem to care about their business and customers. I wonder if they know what kind of an organization they are endorsing by including those tickets in their packets! This is just one avenue I am going to look into if things don't resolve to our satisfaction. Those consumer advocate TV news reporters could have a field day with this one! I'll keep you posted on how our progress goes if you want to keep checking this thread. Thanks all! wink.gif
Lindsay Richards
One thing that happens here in Florida is that the maintance fees never stop. Even after you accept the fact that your original investment is gone, they till try to ding you for the fee forever. They threaten to go after your credit and stuff. You have to get it in writing that you are all done with them.


Good Luck
dangerzone66
Well, just a little more information to add to the story. My family and I returned last week to the Jackson Springs, NC site to try and get some of our money's worth out of what we paid in, because both of the BBB branches have fallen on deaf ears, and the corporate manager is sticking to his idea that we just didn't understand the contract, and we are being unreasonable. For this they are going to refer any further correspondence on the matter through their attorney. If that just doesn't say what they truly care about, what does. They have also started charging $2 a day for sewer hookups, and if you have a golf cart of your own that you like to travel in, it must be insured (a good idea anyway), and there is a $5 a day charge for the "priveledge" of using your golf cart on the grounds. I guess my $3500 membership and $92 a quarter in maintenance fees is not enough to cover that additional expense! All in all, the trip was nice, the campground itself was clean and nicely kept, but because of the staff following only the computer for the scheduling of sites and stays, we had to breakdown from one site and move to another halfway through the trip to another spot that was open the whole time we were there. And besides the obvious tainting of our trip because of this situation, we had a pretty good time. But that is because of our family and our dedication to not letting it get us down. And believe me Lindsay, I will get it in writing that we are done with the maintenance fees and all when we are done for sure! At this point we met a couple who have been members since 2002, who are also unhappy with the way things are being run. They know a bunch of people who were also dissatisfied. So we exchanged info and will be looking into possible legal action as a group. Power in numbers!
Lindsay Richards
Well, I am glad you were able to salvage something out of it. That cart fee is probably for the electricity to charge it up. I hope things continue well for you. Sometimes places like this sell and the new management can make a difference.
David Morgan
Thanks for the heads up. Got some sort of packet from what I suspect are the same folks. Glad I know what's going on. rolleyes.gif

David
San Diego Airport Hotel ~ San Diego Beach Hotels
Bud in Florida
Thanks foe sharing. I would make a couple of suggestions. 1) Forget about the BBB. They will do nothing. It is almost always useless to contact the BBB if you want some sore of action. They will put a complaint in the file, but nothing else. 2) You might try contacting Trailer Life and ask their problem solver to step in for you. Often times, business will respond to Trailer Life when they have ignored the customer. 3) Send Camping World a letter. Tell them that they are pushing a bad product and it could taint their reputation. They AG in Fla is pretty active in these matters, not sure about the one you contacted. Did you contact Pa? Might try NC too. Depending on how far away you are, you might file a small claims action. Good luck!
Is there any authority for the added fees in your contract?
Wink
Sorry you got caught in there trap.But if more people would admit that they had been taken it would help to put them out of business.And you are not alone for sure.They are the same as time share condo`s. All they are after is the all mighty dollars.Your dollars and any other unsupecting people.You are not exspected to understand there contracks.They don`t want you to and go to great effort to make sure you don`t.You mite start a yahoo group for people that have been taken by them.
I would make a group and if I had time I would camp there as often as I could and post you group every where and hand out you groups info. That is because I am a hard headed old retired man that would have nothing better to do but harris them. I have been to some of diffrent sales pitches when they have like a three day or what ever if you go to there sales meeting.Then I start asking questions they don`t want to answer and they try to get me away from the rest of the people.

southerncreed57
sad.gif WisH I had read your post before we went to Gettysburg Resort for the sales pitch.It would have saved me 3 hrs of my life. I went to Outdoor World's sales pitch back in the 80's and have heard horror stories about them. My girlfriend had a condo time share in the 90's and got out after it was paid for. So we had reservations going in. We are about 10 years form retirement and want to sell our home and travel this plan sounded great. We were close to signing on, but my girlfriend didn't like the 480.00 maint. fee for life, I didn't like the 7000.00 cost. Dangerzone we didn't hear anything about it only being a 3 yr deal if you didn't bump up. I was under impression it was for life also. I feel better now of walking away form the deal. Hope you get out of it on the winning side. Good Luck.... Oh we found out how they get your name. The same people that own them own Good Sam's club Woodall's and Camping World so If like me you have signed onto one or all of these THEY have you number.
Fitzjohnfan
My dad got hooked by Cutty's Resorts here in Colorado back in the 1980's. He did use the park quite a bit, and the amenities were well maintained and plentiful.
But face it, you got an RV to be able to go anywhere, anytime, and not feel you "have to" go to one specific park because you paid a maintenance fee and thousands of $$ to start. There were lots of things for us kids to do, but the same things over and over got boring. He finally tried to get out of the contract but it was like pulling teeth without pain killer to finally get out of it.
The park is now open to the public anyway and I stayed there a couple of months ago with my family. Still a nice park, without the strings attached.
RFCN2
We have a membership in Thousand Trails which is sort of a time share. We are happy with them and they have done exactly what they said they were going to do. We have had no problems at all getting camping time in TT parks. It is certainly true that some Thousand Trails parks could use a spruce up, but in general they are pretty good. So not all "time share" type places are a bum deal.
mamawjudy
QUOTE(dangerzone66 @ Apr 6 2010, 12:58 AM) *

Well, just a little more information to add to the story. My family and I returned last week to the Jackson Springs, NC site to try and get some of our money's worth out of what we paid in, because both of the BBB branches have fallen on deaf ears, and the corporate manager is sticking to his idea that we just didn't understand the contract, and we are being unreasonable. For this they are going to refer any further correspondence on the matter through their attorney. If that just doesn't say what they truly care about, what does. They have also started charging $2 a day for sewer hookups, and if you have a golf cart of your own that you like to travel in, it must be insured (a good idea anyway), and there is a $5 a day charge for the "priveledge" of using your golf cart on the grounds. I guess my $3500 membership and $92 a quarter in maintenance fees is not enough to cover that additional expense! All in all, the trip was nice, the campground itself was clean and nicely kept, but because of the staff following only the computer for the scheduling of sites and stays, we had to breakdown from one site and move to another halfway through the trip to another spot that was open the whole time we were there. And besides the obvious tainting of our trip because of this situation, we had a pretty good time. But that is because of our family and our dedication to not letting it get us down. And believe me Lindsay, I will get it in writing that we are done with the maintenance fees and all when we are done for sure! At this point we met a couple who have been members since 2002, who are also unhappy with the way things are being run. They know a bunch of people who were also dissatisfied. So we exchanged info and will be looking into possible legal action as a group. Power in numbers!



QUOTE(dangerzone66 @ Apr 6 2010, 12:58 AM) *

Well, just a little more information to add to the story. My family and I returned last week to the Jackson Springs, NC site to try and get some of our money's worth out of what we paid in, because both of the BBB branches have fallen on deaf ears, and the corporate manager is sticking to his idea that we just didn't understand the contract, and we are being unreasonable. For this they are going to refer any further correspondence on the matter through their attorney. If that just doesn't say what they truly care about, what does. They have also started charging $2 a day for sewer hookups, and if you have a golf cart of your own that you like to travel in, it must be insured (a good idea anyway), and there is a $5 a day charge for the "priveledge" of using your golf cart on the grounds. I guess my $3500 membership and $92 a quarter in maintenance fees is not enough to cover that additional expense! All in all, the trip was nice, the campground itself was clean and nicely kept, but because of the staff following only the computer for the scheduling of sites and stays, we had to breakdown from one site and move to another halfway through the trip to another spot that was open the whole time we were there. And besides the obvious tainting of our trip because of this situation, we had a pretty good time. But that is because of our family and our dedication to not letting it get us down. And believe me Lindsay, I will get it in writing that we are done with the maintenance fees and all when we are done for sure! At this point we met a couple who have been members since 2002, who are also unhappy with the way things are being run. They know a bunch of people who were also dissatisfied. So we exchanged info and will be looking into possible legal action as a group. Power in numbers!

ohmy.gif Don't ever feel like you are alone out there! My husband and I toured a local (35 mile) campground who offered the same sort of plan as yours. Only ours was $5000. with a quarterly maintennance fee of only $74 dollars. They didn't have sewer hook-ups at the initial visit, but we were assured that the plan was in place to have the entire campground fitted with sewer hook-ups. That wa 4 years ago and we are still having to conserve flushes (LOL) when we are there for more that a few days!! Pain in the behind!! We enjoy going there, but the camping season in Pa. is very short. And it will take alot of trips to equal the cost!! Ours is tranferrable to our children too, but they are in no financial situation to be able to afford the maintenance fee after we're gone! Hind-sight sure is 20/20!! I wish you would've posted your comment 4 years ago!!
Wink
The thing with any of the timeshare schemes is you have no control over the cost after you buy into it.As with the extra fees for sewer hook ups and golf cart fees.That way they can say there yearly dues are low when making there sales pitch.Also one of there sales pitches is that you have it when you retire.Right now with the golden age pass you stay in Fed. parks for half price and in my state of Florida over sixty five or handy cap you you can camp for half price if you live in the state and as they re do the parks they are making most of them full hook up.We go to one that even has a pool and cost $14.00 a night plus tax.They are going up some as they redo them but still at full fee of $28.00 dollars is still a good deal with sewer hook up.

We camp a week or more a mouth and it still would not be a good deal as most have limits on how many days a year you can camp.There is also camping clubs that you can join for a small fee that will give you up to half off at some privet camp grounds.

I just added up our next 50 days camping and it is less than fifteen dollars a day average $14.76 That is with water and 30 amp at all and full hook up at about a third of them.
kdfarmer
We have had similar problems with Gettysburg Resort. We have tried numerous times to camp there but are always told the campground is full. I haven't been able to get in on a holiday in years. We pretty much gave up trying and haven't stayed there in a couple of years. They called tonight and threatened to turn us into a collection agency for being two quarters behind on dues for a campground that hasn't had camping sites open for us to use in the last two years. Though a membership park they allow non-members to camp there and take up the sites. They have a large volunteer staff who stay or live there causing the campground to look like a seasonal campground (100 lb fuel tanks, large covered piles of firewood, permanent steps, lots of junk on the sites etc.). In the winter there are a lot of camping units/trailers in the camping sites hooked up and vacant as the campground allows the use of the sites as winter storage. The staff was never friendly when we did stay there. If you want to get in touch with us Ė we use aol.com
Skymessenger
Sorry you going through all this mess. Several years ago my wife and I received an invitation to go to Florida to a certain campground to stay for three days and two nights free of camping. The catch to this deal was for both my wife and I to sit through a "Sells Pitch" to join their resort. With free camping we agree to go through it.

I can not remember all the details but it was going to be costly for our pocketbooks. They kept telling us how we would be saving money if we joined them. I just couldn't figure it out. They were a new resort and they have a resort in Tenneessee which we could camp at for free. We had to paid I believe $350.00 per-year for maintence fee. Yet, we can go anytime and stay up to two weeks of free camping.

It SOUND interested but there was something fishly about it. I just didn't have peace about it. So we decided not to get involved with them. They kept pushing and pushing (Which I hate so much!) for us to buy into their membership. Once we said no, that is what we meant.

Anyway, a few years later we were camping in the area. So went to see the resort. It was no longer there! It is now a Grocery Store. The campground is no where in sight.

I just hope these types of Resorts that cares more about getting people 's money will be closed. I truly hope you will be able to get your money back. Hang in there!
dangerzone66
Hello everyone,

Thanks to all of you who shared your comments and similar experiences in your replies. smile.gif

It is almost a year after all the fussing and fighting went down, and I finally can relate the way it all ended up working out. I would like to say we succeeded in getting our money back, but that is not the case. mad.gif

The PA BBB had no luck trying to persuade the resort, and deferred all efforts to the NC BBB. The AG in both states declined to get involved. The NC BBB was only able to work out a deal after 4 months of negotiating with the resort, that, as stated by the resort manager in a letter to the agent at the BBB, was "to give us the lifetime membership not because it was warranted by the situation or because we were mislead into believing we actually had purchased a lifetime membership, but in order to keep their good standing with the BBB." The agent from the BBB forwarded his letter to us. That was the final straw. We were so tainted and insensed by this comment, that we had no desire to ever stay at their resorts ever again! We never did receive an actual letter from the resort indicating we were upgraded to the lifetime membership. We did however continue to receive the bills for the maintenance fees, even though at that point our 3 year trial was up. We figured they were just doing their usual and were slow to catch up on what was going on, so we ignored the bills. After a year of maintenance bills, two weeks ago received a letter stating they were taking us to collections unless the bills were paid immediately, plus a $125 penalty fee. My wife called them, actually spoke to the financial manager of the resort (the one I could never speak to, for some reason), and explained that since we didn't pay anything past our trial membership, and had not received anything in writing regarding our upgrade to lifetime membership as he had proposed, that we assumed our membership had run out, and we were done. This apparently was not the case, and the only way we could get out of paying an additional $500 was to fax them a letter stating that as of April 2010 we no longer wanted our membership and would like to cancel it. He did send a reply that we were cancelled as of that date afterwards, with no additional charges, but we had already lost thousands on this deal. Not to mention the aggravation and frustration we had to put up with while dealing with them and trying to work this out. We even spoke with an attorney about a lawsuit, but he told us it would cost us just as much as the membership did to try and get the money back, because of the interstate business thing, regulations, and having to file in North Carolina. We gave up at this point.

So now we are a bit poorer, but wiser, and will never be roped into one of these schemes again. Hopefully others will read these words of wisdom prior to venturing into one of these types of resorts, and steer clear of these fork tongued devils and their wiley ways. There are plenty of nice clean resorts around this great country of ours without having to be a member and roped into staying at one or two places all the time.

Thanks to all for the supportive words and happy trails! happy.gif
Lindsay Richards
Unfortunately this sort of thing happens all the time in Florida on time shares. It was an expensive, but valuable lesson learned. Wait about 6 months and then go in there and shoot the SOB. In the time share business around Orlando, these "financial managers" have hundreds of cases going at once, in house lawyers, and tremendous egos. They play of the very edge of the law and are the modern day snake oil salesmen. Just be glad it is over.
jan-n-john
Seems to me this whole thread points to a simple rule of living. Any time somebody is asking you to pay up front for a promised future service, particularly use of some facility like a time share, run the other way. No matter how good they make it sound, their interest is always to get as much money as possible now, and pay out the least possible in the future. They always have a much larger financial interest in their scheme than you do, so have hired lawyers and marketing people to make sure they will come out ahead, not you. It is their business, not yours, and you will never win--they are the slick operator and you are the rube. When all is said and done, it is highly unlikely you will have benefited enough to have made the up-front payment worthwhile, partly because they will have liberated the maximum number of dollars from your pocket and given back the least possible, and partly because everybody's situation changes over time and few find they can actually use these facilities as much as they thought they would.

Better to keep your money now, and pay as you go in the future.
FosterImposters
QUOTE(jan-n-john @ Apr 2 2011, 05:35 AM) *

Better to keep your money now, and pay as you go in the future.


Thats the very same reason I cringe at the "extended warantee insurance" concept.
But that's another thread all together. cool.gif
Wink
All timeshare camping or condo is a bill that you have for life that you have no control over how much it is unless you just stop paying it. sad.gif You are not the fist to get sucked in by a timeshare sales man.They are very good at what they do as most professional thief`s are. mad.gif ph34r.gif
0p3nsrc
Practicing a bit of thread necromancy..

Registered just to say "thank you" to dangerzone... I was just at a "local"-ish RV dealer for an open house, and Outdoor World/Gettysburg Battlefield Resort had a thing there. My love for registering for any contest in front of me filled out a slip.

I got an email earlier today from them, that I had a camping voucher. I was excited, having just bought a pop-up camper for my family. I could tell that the email was written by a bot, so I knew the "free" camping was given out en masse.

I called the 855 number without thinking, and the guy gave me the typical spiel about the place and what I needed to do for the offer. Seemed odd, so I told him I needed to discuss it with my wife first. Instead, I took to Google. Glad that I did, too. You saved me from a wasted 2-hour trip down to Gettysburg..

Luckily, I used my Google Voice number to call them, so I can block their numbers as they call me....
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