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BigNuge
I have been camping for a while now (my whole life, I'm 36). This year I graduated from tent camping to a 23' HTT. My wife bailed on tent camping 10 years ago, its been friends & family until we got the camper.

Since we have been camping (locally in New England) so much more this year (compared to the last 10 years) I am really noticing some things.

1, When did we get invaded by Quebec??? The folks seem nice enough, I just see such a strong population of them everywhere I go! I really need to dust off my French...lol biggrin.gif
2, For the life of me I cannot find the attraction/appeal of the "parking lot" style of campground. Aren't we all camping to be in the woods with nature?? Ya know, trees, vegetation, dirt roads etc??? Some of these parks (one right down the road from me) get great reviews?!?!?! I just don't get the appeal. dry.gif
3, Wow....it is not cheap to camp anymore! It is easy to see $40-$60/night for 2 adults?!?! $10/head after that, with a limit of 6 per site. My very last trip cost me $230.00 for 3 nights w 6 people...Why the heck do they make campers that sleep more than 6 then?!?! Mine sleeps 10!!! wink.gif
4, Beware of the websites for campgrounds. While I have not had a terrible experience (yet), I have had to change plans due to the conditions at one of our latest campgrounds.
5, Doesn't anyone enjoy getting back to basics/nature? I know this statement could be cliche seeing as I am enjoying my brand new RV. However, I am not sitting on my phone/tablet/FB surfing the internet. Isn't camping supposed to be an experience with the environment/nature?!?!? I just cant come to terms with the reviews that complain heavily about WiFi signal/access. unsure.gif (Workamping folks aside obviously).

Things were so different 20 years ago....

Thats all for now smile.gif

Dutch_12078
Many of us often choose campgrounds for their amenities, full hookups, cable TV, reliable WiFi at the site, etc, because we aren't "camping" as such, but more using our RV's as portable motel rooms while we visit various attractions in the area. My wife and I spend 7-8 months a year in our motorhome for example, and only rarely select a campground just as a place to kick back and relax while we commune with nature. As it happens, this week we're at a state park in Upstate NY looking out at the St Lawrence Seaway just for a few days of down time, but this is only the second time this year we've chosen to do that. RV'ers are no different than the rest of the population, with "Different strokes for different folks." applying equally to all.
docj
QUOTE(Dutch_12078 @ Jul 29 2013, 09:38 PM) *

Many of us often choose campgrounds for their amenities, full hookups, cable TV, reliable WiFi at the site, etc, because we aren't "camping" as such, but more using our RV's as portable motel rooms while we visit various attractions in the area. My wife and I spend 7-8 months a year in our motorhome for example, and only rarely select a campground just as a place to kick back and relax while we commune with nature. As it happens, this week we're at a state park in Upstate NY looking out at the St Lawrence Seaway just for a few days of down time, but this is only the second time this year we've chosen to do that. RV'ers are no different than the rest of the population, with "Different strokes for different folks." applying equally to all.


I agree that we use our MH as a rolling motel but I totally disagree with you with respect to the CG amenities that we look for. As full-timers, not snowbirds, we carry everything we need with us. I don't care about cable TV because I have satellite; I don't need wifi because I have my own cellular internet connection; I don't need a laundry room or bathrooms because I have my own, etc, etc. Other than full hookups I don't want anything from your CG other than a clean, safe, relatively pleasant place to stay.

As you said, different strokes for different folks. We are quite comfortable "communing with nature" since we aren't looking for a CG to provide us what we already have.
John S.
Sometimes I want nature and sometime I jst want to be close to where we need to be in my rolling hotel room.
Tom
BigNuge, is this your first year in a "camper"? Kinda sounds like you've been tent camping / hiking before this. Campgrounds were/are pretty much exactly the same as they were 20 years ago, even longer than that (look up the movie Long, Long, Long Trailer with Lucille Ball and Desi Arnez for a fun movie - the campgrounds have hardly changed!). If you are going to have electric, water, and perhaps sewer hookups at your campsite, you are going to pay for that. Campgrounds (such as most Connecticut state parks) without hookups are very much less expensive.

If you want more of an "outdoor" experience, then look at state parks and national park campgrounds... many times they have larger, more rustic campsites without hookups (electric and water). Also, New England is simply CROWDED. We don't really have much in the way of national forest where you can set up anywhere, or BLM (Bureau of Land Management) land where again you can pretty much just go and setup where you want.

My family has gone to both full out "resort" campgrounds with all the amenities, arcades, activities, even restaurants - and state parks that are just a clearing in the woods. We've enjoyed both equally well.

Just have fun! See you on the road!
Dutch_12078
Joel, I listed the various amenities that many of us look for, but didn't intend it to be all inclusive for every one, as we each have our own needs and wants. We also carry our own data service, etc., and are currently quite happily occupying an electric only site where privacy, a large space, and a wonderful view of the ships passing by were the deciding factors.
BigNuge
The rolling hotel room makes sense. If folks are simply using their RV for exploring the country and just want a safe place to park and hook up for a short while I guess is doesn't matter what the campground offers (especially if your fortunate enough to have a big rig that is completely self contained). I get the whole "different strokes for different folks" thing. I am just shaking my head at how different everybody is now. And at how much "business" has crept into a once simple industry. I had a discussion with a CG owner recently and he made the statement that their will never be a pool at his CG due to the clientele he would lose. Gahhhh, I'm rambling.....

Tom, this is my first year in my own "camper". I have been camping in one before, a handful of times years ago. So, the last 10+ years I have been tent camping. Since the camper has afforded me so many more camping opportunities I have been taking notice. What has changed is a little bit of everything. The people, the courtesy, experience blah blah blah.....all different. I am old fashioned at heart, and never want the things I love to change. When I read a CG review that hammers on a CG for its poor WiFi & the fact that it didn't have their brand of milk (exaggeration) is disappointing to me. Ive also seen folks rail on the fact that a CG had dirt roads?!?!? Its the woods?!?!?! The roads are going to be dirt, the sites are going to be un-level. It is only a matter of time before more and more CG owners succumb to these crazy demands and we are all camping on paved sites with electric fake fireplaces (exaggeration). Mostly, it means that we really are that different, and it is only going to get worse.....Im rambling agin...

In the end, I do make the best of it. When I first set out to do so much more camping this summer I had the idea that we would be doing just that...camping (swimming/hiking/fishing/sitting around the fire etc.). While we still do that, we have adapted to make the trips into a destination/landing spot. day 1 is usually set up and lay low. Day 2 is get out and do some of the local fun things and see the attractions...and so on. We have had a ton of fun with it, and I look forward to years more!

docj
QUOTE(BigNuge @ Jul 30 2013, 09:15 AM) *

When I read a CG review that hammers on a CG for its poor WiFi & the fact that it didn't have their brand of milk (exaggeration) is disappointing to me. Ive also seen folks rail on the fact that a CG had dirt roads?!?!? Its the woods?!?!?! The roads are going to be dirt, the sites are going to be un-level. It is only a matter of time before more and more CG owners succumb to these crazy demands and we are all camping on paved sites with electric fake fireplaces (exaggeration). Mostly, it means that we really are that different, and it is only going to get worse.....Im rambling agin...



Although I agree with you that WiFi is not an essential element of the RV experience, I don't view "paved roads" the same way. Although I have no basic objection to a dirt or gravel road, they are difficult to maintain and easily become rutted and difficult for large vehicles to travel on. I assume that is the reason that many of the state and national parks we have visited have paved roads and some have paved sites. If you have a CG with dirt roads and sites I don't think it is unreasonable to expect that I won't encounter multiple potholes on my way to my site.
Fitzjohnfan
Bignug, I'd like to agree with you, that things are not like they used to be. I camped with my parents in a motor home from the late 1960s to the 1980s, and when I got married, I purchased my first motorhome in the mid 1990s.
It used to be that people knew how to fix things, now when something breaks, they run for the phone and call roadside assistance.
To plan trips, people used to pull out a map, look for clues to things to see along the way. Now I love my GPS just like the next guy, but its just a tool, and people need to be able to "see" where they are going, not just follow directions.
people used to socialize in RV parks and say hi to their neighbor, and some still do, but more frequently, you see the windows closed and the occupants watching movies or on the computer, never enjoying the outdoors.

Thanks for letting me vent.
kcmoedoe
QUOTE(BigNuge @ Jul 30 2013, 07:15 AM) *

. I am just shaking my head at how different everybody is now. And at how much "business" has crept into a once simple industry. I had a discussion with a CG owner recently and he made the statement that their will never be a pool at his CG due to the clientele he would lose. Gahhhh, I'm rambling.....


For the people who own the parks, it is a business. If a park has built it's clientele on repeat business who like what the park has to offer, they may very well be correct that adding a pool would cost them business. Parks with pools, playgrounds and the like do attract a different customer than those without. They also add to costs. So if the park added a pool, rates would have to increase and the customers who have selected that park based on the fact that there will not be many children in the park may choose to go elsewhere. I seem to get the vibe that one of your complaints is that many parks are not highly children friendly, more like children tolerant. But that is true in every hospitality industry sector. Not all restaurants are Chuck E. Cheeses. Most are children neutral and a few are children unfriendly. The Four Seasons resorts don't cater to young families, but the Disney Hotels sure do. In the RV park world, KOA to some extent and Jellystone Parks completely seek that family demographic. Outdoor Resorts and the like do not. Yes, the RV park business is evolving, just like every other business. Go watch the ancient movie Dirty Dancing. At the end of the movie listen to the resort owner's lament about how everything is changing, how people no longer want two weeks in the Catskills learning the Foxtrot, how the new rage is traveling to Europe. Yes, these times they are a changin.
KFS
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2, For the life of me I cannot find the attraction/appeal of the "parking lot" style of campground. Aren't we all camping to be in the woods with nature?? Ya know, trees, vegetation, dirt roads etc??? Some of these parks (one right down the road from me) get great reviews?!?!?! I just don't get the appeal.


At the risk of sounding uppity let me point out that if you live that lifestyle already, the appeal is getting to it all - not away from it all.

If I want trees, nature, a pool and privacy I have that - its called my backyard. Frankly I've never understood packing up to go sit in the woods and admire a tree. wink.gif I'm that hiker whining "oh look and around that bend I bet we find ANOTHER tree!" I refuse to wax rhapsodic over a squirrel. wink.gif

We choose to camp to be close to friends and boat. We joke that we are a reverse fresh air fund. We take country kids to the campground so they can experience cul de sacs and close neighbors. smile.gif

I think knowing what people want and where they "come from" helps in understanding reviews. I'm a pampered princess type (I own it) yet my FAVORITE park gets not so good reviews here. It's clear the reviewers want a different set of amenities than a COE park aims to provide. Doesn't make them - or me - wrong. Just means you don't book a Boy Scout camp if you need a Hilton.

I also gave a decent review to another campground because while I would cry if I had to spend the summer - it was perfect for our needs as a hotel away from home. I needed a safe place to put my kids to bed while in town for a sport tournament. The campground easily met this need.

I think adding a "type of stay" ranking would really help reviews and understanding that people have a variety of wants, needs, and camp expectations and styles will help OP's understanding.
John S.
Never thought if it as a reverse camping but I do that too. I live where millions of people come to get away from it all. Many times there are biking groups that think they own the road four abreast running down the roads as they are in the country. They forget i live there and drive home at the speed limit and if they are under the hills crest it could get ugly. I know in the fall the peepers come out so we watch for them around that time. I would be happy with a concrete site and paved roads and nice neighbors to talk to.
BigNuge
I love the comments!! Unfortunately they solidify my assumption/suspicion...we really are all very different, and getting more so.

Who the hell cares where you/I/we come from??

At the risk of sounding like poor folk, camping is camping. You can try and spin it all you want. You like being parked on a concrete pad 11' away from the next DP tour bus big rig with his 55" outdoor HD LCD showing satellite TV broadcast of GMA, mimosas being made at the outside wet bar (actually this is sounding pretty good now....lol) as if you weren't even away from home??? Sorry, thats not camping (and yes, I have all that at home too). Now, to clarify, if I had the means to have something that grand and sophisticated I would love that. However, I would still stuff that baby in the woods when looking to go "camping".

That being said, maybe the "RV Park/Campground" distinction applies. These places are not Camp Grounds just as a $250,000.00 RV is not a "Camper" as much as it is a mobile "Hilton".

It would not be an exaggeration to say that in the near future some folks could use the example of a stationary bike to biking. They are just not the same thing.

These differences and ever-growing distortion/degradation of "common sense & opinion" are what I feel is pulling this country apart......but thats for another forum.

In a slightly related note, I just finished my last official tent camping trip. And I have to say, I still enjoyed it!! Now it is straight HTT camping for me (with an occasional overnight hike with tents) from now on.
jim crowl
I've been "camping" for over 50 years, and traveled in an RV full-time for about 5 years. I prefer to be close to nature, but due to work assignments, or desire to explore urban areas an RV park with electricity, internet etc. sometimes makes more sense.

The great thing about a small RV is that you can make the choice. I've spent many nights in national forests etc. camping on a river or other remote location, and nights in a modern RV park next to the freeway. I've never once had to pay $40-60 for a space, and often camp for free. Perhaps in New England this is not possible. In the Southwest and Northwest there are many places to camp for free. Many of the small towns even offer free city campgrounds. In Idaho, where I came from, there are many places to camp outside of established campgrounds along highways that parallel rivers. However there are many places not suitable for an RV due to road conditions, so even those of us who enjoy the outdoor experience opt for an RV park.

I don't feel it has changed that much in 50 years. The big change is the increase in population in a lot of areas. There were areas that you could camp away from the city that now have subdivisions. Campgrounds are more expensive, but it is relative. 50 years ago national forest campgrounds charged 0, $1, $2 or $3 a night. Today there are still free ones, but more likely $5-18 a night. However we paid $6 at a motel 6, and 25 cents a gallon for gas, so RV parks and campgrounds are not any more expensive today considering overall inflation.

People should camp where they are happiest. In one secluded state park I commented to the ranger what a wonderful location it was, with a terrific night sky, and quiet spots along the river. The ranger agreed, but then said "you would be surprised how many people complain that we don't have cable and lots of night lighting.
QueenofQuitealot
Well, in the words of Sly Stone "Different strokes for different folks". My DH would be perfectly happy to throw a sleeping bag slap on the bare ground under the stars. My idea of 'roughing it' is a hotel with no room service. Some RVers love all the amenities at a first class RV resort (that's me), some love to pull or drive that baby as far down a lonesome dirt road as they can get then pull over into a clearing (that's DH). With a trailer, our vacation can be a bit of both types of 'camping'.
rkw99
Whenever I talk about our RV trips, I refer to it as "camping" as in actually finger quoting it! When I was a kid we tent camped (not in campgrounds). Now I need my indoor plumbing. We spend about 3 weeks each summer traveling in our trailer. It's almost 20 years old and we have had it for over 10 years. We've been to state campgrounds and resorts for various reasons. If we are travelling to sightsee, then a state campground is just fine and great way to save money. I find them to be a third the cost of the "resort" type with planned kids activities. We like those too because they are relaxing for us and the kids love them. At these places, I spend time marvelling at some of the rigs pulling in. Sometimes I am envious and other times, I say if I had that kind of money, I would rather stay in a 5 star hotel. It certainly is "different strokes for different folks" and I see nothing wrong with that.
RFCN2
Private campgrounds must be far cheeper out here in the west. We have been on our current trip about three weeks and mostly stayed at the RV parks that get the highest rating from this web site. We have not paid as high as $40 yet this trip. Mostly we have paid $27-$34. Last summer we drove back as far as Cleveland Ohio and was gouged by two campgrounds there for $65 a night.

However, State parks have gone up considerably out here. In general they are about the same price as private parks if the State park has full hookups. The highest rate we will be paying on this trip is in Grand Teton National Park next week, $50.

My point - things just cost more in the east. We lived on Long Island for ten years and everything costs more there.

As far as Waldon Pond vs The Bellagio, there are different sort of parks for different likes.

docj
In general we agree with your observations about cost vs location in the country. However, to the general fact that CG's are cheaper out west than in the east has to be added the caveat that everything costs more in "destination areas", hence the cost you quote for the Grand Tetons which is no doubt the Colter Bay campground.

But as the realtors always say, "location, location, location!" You can walk from your site at Colter Bay to the shore of Jackson Lake and watch eagles soar above the lake! BTW, if you didn't know, the concessionaire at Colter Bay (Xanterra, I believe) does give ~$10 off the nightly rate if you have the federal senior pass.

As for the current price of state parks, I agree that most are no longer bargains compared to commercial CG's, but in our experience, the sites are usually larger and more private. I am writing this note while at a Washington State park where I am paying ~$34/night for full (30A) hookups including reservation and non-resident fees. The site I have is far larger and the setting much nicer than the commercial park I just left in Montana which was $38/night plus tax. Obviously, this one comparison isn't meaningful, but, in general, we'd prefer to stay at state (or federal) parks if they are near where we are going and we can get in.
cwcsmc
I registered with this forum to specifically reply to this posting.

"Different strokes for different folks" is missing a variable. Now days, money out does some strokes for some folks.

My wife and I are in a 50's. I stopped camping along time ago because what appeared to be a trend in the way people camped. I use to tent camp long long time ago before RVs were the big thing. They were around but the campsites were geared towards tent campers. Most people who had money wouldn't/couldn't do anything as disgusting as 'camp', out in the wilderness, for God sakes. And with that we were all on a level playing field. Going camping was fun. Nature was beautiful. We all helped each other and it was fun to meet new people around a camp fire.

Then came the campers, RV are what the are called. They are not campers they are Recreation Vehicles. With them all the comforts of home. Now those who wouldn't/couldn't camp were taking up the places that basic people only did for fun. Now it is a mobile hotel stop and they will back right over a tent in a second for that hotel spot.

My wife and I decided we were going to try camping again. We are older so a few amenities would be nice. Running water, electricity for a fan in the summer, small things. We even bought a tent to see if we would like it before I modify a utility trailer to be our camper. That's right, modify a utility trailer to be a camper, because we can't afford a real camper. We were afraid that things might be as I thought they were so we decide we would go to the campsites in the area on this Labor day Weekend and see what we could see. UNBELIEVABLE. Campers, sorry, RV upon RV, people stacked 2 feet apart. Some even had their tables in the street. This was at three different 'campgrounds'.

I remembered along time ago a book you could by that listed all the campgrounds. Now I see that is gone and a new book has taken its place, one dedicated to RV's. THey say they are for campgrounds but it is really dedicated to RV Resorts.

Now we did find a couple hidden state and local campgrounds where camping is still camping. But, are you people serious? What is the point? Those with big rigs, pull up throw up the satellite antenna, get the big screen tv hooked up under your canopy, and then go inside and leave it playing with no one watching some football game or other sporting event. AC and generators running full blast, not a soul insight. Bicycles everywhere with no one on them.

I am sorry but it looked like a zoo.

If this is camping, we may need to think again. A fun family activity has been ruined all because of money, just like so many other things in this life. Money and commercialism.
kcmoedoe
QUOTE(cwcsmc @ Sep 1 2013, 05:37 PM) *

I registered with this forum to specifically reply to this posting.

"Different strokes for different folks" is missing a variable. Now days, money out does some strokes for some folks.

My wife and I are in a 50's. I stopped camping along time ago because what appeared to be a trend in the way people camped. I use to tent camp long long time ago before RVs were the big thing. They were around but the campsites were geared towards tent campers. Most people who had money wouldn't/couldn't do anything as disgusting as 'camp', out in the wilderness, for God sakes. And with that we were all on a level playing field. Going camping was fun. Nature was beautiful. We all helped each other and it was fun to meet new people around a camp fire.

Then came the campers, RV are what the are called. They are not campers they are Recreation Vehicles. With them all the comforts of home. Now those who wouldn't/couldn't camp were taking up the places that basic people only did for fun. Now it is a mobile hotel stop and they will back right over a tent in a second for that hotel spot.

My wife and I decided we were going to try camping again. We are older so a few amenities would be nice. Running water, electricity for a fan in the summer, small things. We even bought a tent to see if we would like it before I modify a utility trailer to be our camper. That's right, modify a utility trailer to be a camper, because we can't afford a real camper. We were afraid that things might be as I thought they were so we decide we would go to the campsites in the area on this Labor day Weekend and see what we could see. UNBELIEVABLE. Campers, sorry, RV upon RV, people stacked 2 feet apart. Some even had their tables in the street. This was at three different 'campgrounds'.

I remembered along time ago a book you could by that listed all the campgrounds. Now I see that is gone and a new book has taken its place, one dedicated to RV's. THey say they are for campgrounds but it is really dedicated to RV Resorts.

Now we did find a couple hidden state and local campgrounds where camping is still camping. But, are you people serious? What is the point? Those with big rigs, pull up throw up the satellite antenna, get the big screen tv hooked up under your canopy, and then go inside and leave it playing with no one watching some football game or other sporting event. AC and generators running full blast, not a soul insight. Bicycles everywhere with no one on them.

I am sorry but it looked like a zoo.

If this is camping, we may need to think again. A fun family activity has been ruined all because of money, just like so many other things in this life. Money and commercialism.

Oh well, guess RVing isn't for you. Kind of like I wouldn't spend 6 seconds of my life watching soccer, but would spend tens of thousands for a seat at the Super Bowl should my favorite team be a participant. On the flip side there is some silly Brit who would toss a Super Bowl ticket in the trash, but would do anything to get into a Premier Finals game (if that is what they call the superbowl of English Soccer). Hey you gave it try, wasn't for you, time to move on. Good luck with whatever your future entertainment endeavors are.
mdcamping
Hi cwcsmc

You talked about visiting campsites Labor day weekend and how busy & and how the rv's were packed together.

First of which, Memorial Day, July, 4 and labor Day, are the worse times to judge any campgrounds... most people that are routine campers/Rvers will avoid these times like the plague. Try looking into off holiday and possibly during weekdays. Also A lot of campers/Rvers planning their trips ahead of time (like me) will post questions either on this site or sites like http://www.rv.net/forum. Lots of good folks out there that will help you find what your looking for.

Give it one more try.

Mike
cwcsmc
QUOTE(kcmoedoe @ Sep 1 2013, 09:46 PM) *

Oh well, guess RVing isn't for you. Kind of like I wouldn't spend 6 seconds of my life watching soccer, but would spend tens of thousands for a seat at the Super Bowl should my favorite team be a participant. On the flip side there is some silly Brit who would toss a Super Bowl ticket in the trash, but would do anything to get into a Premier Finals game (if that is what they call the superbowl of English Soccer). Hey you gave it try, wasn't for you, time to move on. Good luck with whatever your future entertainment endeavors are.


You missed the point, and since you would spend 'thousands' for a football game it is obvious you would.

Let me ask you, you already would spend thousands for a game, would you still go if they stopped you from bring drinks in with you and make you pay an arm and a leg for theirs (oh wait they do that), what if the stopped your wife from bringing her purse (they do that too), what if they basically stripped searched you, (hmm, they do that too) what if they decided to do away with the seats and make everyone stand because they would make more money. What if there were so many people you couldn't see the game? Would you still go?

You are absolutely right, RV'ing is not for me. Camping is. The problem is RV'ers have taken over the activity of camping and left those who enjoyed that activity with nothing left. Funny thing is the only reason RV'ers can do what they do is because of money. It is not about their ability to actually ENJOY the outdoors. More than likely if the money was taken away the RV parks would be empty, and the true campers would come back.

Anyway, I went this past holiday weekend on purpose. I wanted to see the worst case scenario. That was disturbing. All those people jammed on top of each other and they called that fun?

I wish that there could be a clear distinction between a real 'campground' and an RV Park. I suppose though, not many RV'rs would show up if the advertised for the best RV Parking Lot around, as apposed to trying to pretend it is a campground.

Maybe one day RV'ers will realize they can't see the football game anymore and leave the area to those who would truly enjoy the stadium empty.
docj
QUOTE(cwcsmc @ Sep 2 2013, 01:11 PM) *

The problem is RV'ers have taken over the activity of camping and left those who enjoyed that activity with nothing left. Funny thing is the only reason RV'ers can do what they do is because of money. It is not about their ability to actually ENJOY the outdoors. More than likely if the money was taken away the RV parks would be empty, and the true campers would come back.


I'm sorry you have such a judgmental view of people that you lump all RVers into one category. I can assure you that many of us enjoy being outdoors even though we may choose to cook and sleep in our RVs. IMHO it's not about money, we've been RVing since we bought our first popup when our kids were young. Believe me that wasn't a luxurious unit and didn't cost anywhere close to what the van did that was pulling it. Some of us simply make choices that are different than yours are; that's what living in a democracy is all about.
cwcsmc
QUOTE(docj @ Sep 2 2013, 12:28 PM) *

I'm sorry you have such a judgmental view of people that you lump all RVers into one category. I can assure you that many of us enjoy being outdoors even though we may choose to cook and sleep in our RVs. IMHO it's not about money, we've been RVing since we bought our first popup when our kids were young. Believe me that wasn't a luxurious unit and didn't cost anywhere close to what the van did that was pulling it. Some of us simply make choices that are different than yours are; that's what living in a democracy is all about.


How many tents could be pitched in the space one bus takes up?

Point I am trying to make here is that there should be a distinction between what a true campground use to be and what it is now, an RV parking lot. If you have moved up and like were you are so be it, but consider were you came from and the families that are now trying to start where you did and can't because that bus has parked in the spot they could have used to see the outdoors. And that one bus is not the problem, it's the thousands of them.

If I could say anything to the people on this forum, remember your past and give others a chance. If you like the comforts of home, stay home. If you like the fresh air of nature, (what's left of it) and ruggedness of being in it, consider downsizing so others can fit in. Remember you're suppose to be camping. The word camping has lost its meaning. That is a shame.
Tom
cwcsmc, there are a lot of campgrounds primarily geared towards tents, and many (if not most) "RV" campgrounds have tenting areas. If you are visiting RV Resort type "campgrounds", then you most certainly will not see a lot of tents.

Using not only this site, but also Open Roads Forum, do some research and ask about campgrounds that cater to your specific needs and wants. Those campgrounds are out there, probably a lot closer to you than you think. And usually campgrounds geared towards tenting are a heck of a lot less expensive then RV campgrounds.

If you don't want to "camp" in an RV or fifth wheel or travel trailer or hybrid or popup or truck camper, then, well, don't! Feel free to use a tent, even in a "RV" campground. I have never seen an RV'er "back over" a tent intentionally, and no people I know who own a camper would even think of doing that.

If you are setting up at a campground with your tent and need help, forgot something, or whatever, feel free to ask me or anyone in my family (or friends), we will certainly be happy to help you out.
dalsgal
cwcsmc I understand you like camping your way but you seem to be condemning those of us that don't want to spend our time away from home in our own way. Telling us that if we don't came your way we should stay home is rude and judgmental. We are just as entitled to our version of camping as you are. You come across as someone that thinks there are two sides to every story....your side and the wrong side.
Texasrvers
cwcsmc, I think most of us understand your point, but if you have not received much sympathy here, remember that it is called RVPARKreviews. As Tom said you need to seek out websites and forums that cater more to the tent camper. As a suggestion you might try hikercentral.com. I think they are geared a bit more to rustic/tent camping. Woodall Directory claims you can use it to locate tent campgrounds. Their website says: “Woodalls.com also has an easy-to-use search tool that lets you search for tent campgrounds by state or province, city or even by a specific campground. You can also search to ensure you find tent campgrounds that have the amenities you need. You can even search for campgrounds that allow both tenting and RVing.”

Other sources to check out would be state and national parks. Many of these have backcountry areas that RVs cannot get to.

Also with just a simple search for” tent campgrounds” I found this forum.

http://www.campingforums.com/forum/showthr...nly-Campgrounds

I did not read it much, but it looks like it has a possibility of helping you.

Whatever you do, I wish you luck finding places that are not all taken up by RVs.

And finally to answer your question about how many tents could be pitched in the space one bus takes up? Well, you could probably put quite a few tents in the same space, but I would not want to be jammed in like that, especially in a tent where you really could hear everything your neighbors are doing—sound familiar?
Dutch_12078
First of all, I'm an ardent RV'er, often spending weeks and months on the road, staying in designated RV parks and campgrounds. On occasion though, I take a trip back to my more youthful style of camping, carrying everything I need on my back into a remote wooded area and making my own little "campground", just as I did 50 years or so ago. I've just returned from one such three day sojourn into the Adirondack Mountains with my two daughters and a couple of their friends, and we all had a great time. There are plenty of state operated campgrounds in the Adirondack State Park that cater mainly to tenters and smaller pop-up or teardrop or 'A' frame style trailers, but those tend to be too crowded and organized for my tent camping tastes. Now I'm back in our motorhome, and will be quite content to travel on to the next stop when we decide to move on. As has been said here many times, "Different strokes for different folks.", and sometimes even for the same folks. Life is constantly changing around us, and the best we can do is learn to deal with it, either bending the changes to our own way of life or adjusting our lives to accommodate those changes we can't bend. My wife and I adopted the motto "Stay flexible" years ago.
Texasrvers
Just thought of Corps of Engineer parks. Many of them have tent only areas. Our website lists hundreds of them.
dalsgal
http://www.tentcampingpass.com/index.aspx
Lindsay Richards
If I slept on the ground like I used to when we took our daughter camping in a tent, I would spend the rest of the day at the chiropractor. The older you get, the harder it becomes. I have spent many a night on the Appalachian trail, but unfortunately that type of thing is just physically out of reach for me. You would have me stay at home, but we enjoy traveling and go up to 3 months at a time. RV is the best way to accomplish this. It's a lot of fun. There are still numerous place to tent camp and in all likelihood, more now that when we did it. You won't find them here, but you can easily find them.
cwcsmc
This will be my last post here. I did not come here for sympathy. I came here because what I saw this past weekend was absurd. Campers, sorry RV'rs jam packed on each other which was pathetic. I am here because what you call RV'ing is NOT camping. It is RV'ing. To pretend otherwise is a lie and a disservice to the word 'camping'. It is a shame that one more old way of life is going away because of money and greed.

I know all about the limited camp areas for tents. I will pursue those. It is sad though when you put in the word 'camping' the most responses return RV type.

Good luck to all of you. When diesel reaches 8.00 a gallon, I'll still be out there.

Funny how in the "PET PEEVE" thread you guys can complain about the other guy and what he likes to do that offends you, but yet have a problem when it turns out you are the other guy.
Tom
Wow. Well, I'll be polite anyways - good luck in the future.
kcmoedoe
QUOTE(cwcsmc @ Sep 2 2013, 05:23 PM) *

This will be my last post here. I did not come here for sympathy. I came here because what I saw this past weekend was absurd. Campers, sorry RV'rs jam packed on each other which was pathetic. I am here because what you call RV'ing is NOT camping. It is RV'ing. To pretend otherwise is a lie and a disservice to the word 'camping'. It is a shame that one more old way of life is going away because of money and greed.

I know all about the limited camp areas for tents. I will pursue those. It is sad though when you put in the word 'camping' the most responses return RV type.

Good luck to all of you. When diesel reaches 8.00 a gallon, I'll still be out there.

Funny how in the "PET PEEVE" thread you guys can complain about the other guy and what he likes to do that offends you, but yet have a problem when it turns out you are the other guy.

WOW!! Kind of bitter, to say the least. Too bad you don't like my kind of camping. And guess what else, I'll still be out there when fuel hits $8.00 a gallon, because everything else will also have gone up including my stack of money. You call it greed, I call it hard work and success. If the economy has left you behind, maybe you should start trying to catch up, instead if sitting around moaning about how things aren't the way you want them.
mdcamping
QUOTE(cwcsmc @ Sep 2 2013, 07:23 PM) *

I know all about the limited camp areas for tents. I will pursue those. It is sad though when you put in the word 'camping' the most responses return RV type


If you happen to make it up to CT try West Thompson Lake COE you will find large sites, lots of nature, with a mix of class A's to tenters all respecting each other.

Mike







docj
I find it sad when the concept of "tolerance for others" becomes "your way of life threatens mine; you better change your ways." I can think of a number of current "ways of life" that are discussed using language similar to that, but to keep this non-political, I'll just just leave it as "you RVers threaten us campers, so you'd better stop RVing." That's not my idea of what tolerance is.

laringrp
I find the comments posted by cwcsmc to be quite strange because I can not figure out what caused the outburst. Seemed like a pretty boring topic until that post.
jamarynn1
QUOTE(laringrp @ Sep 2 2013, 10:55 PM) *

I find the comments posted by cwcsmc to be quite strange because I can not figure out what caused the outburst.


Envy, perhaps? Sour grapes? The "I-can't-afford-it-so-I'll-criticize-it" syndrome? Aesop had it figured out pretty well.......

He's a "troll" - they're people who go to boards dedicated to a certain interest or pursuit and then proceed to deliberately pick a fight. It's pretty obvious that 99% of the posters here do their "camping" in some sort of RV, thus the name "RV park reviews".

And RVers deliberately backing over tents....oh, please.....that's so lame. Besides, who would want to damage their $100,000 Class A backing over his $65 tent?
ThreeTravellingBlondes
Camping is alive and well. We keep a tent and extra portable stove, some tarp, etc. on board. Sometimes we leave the RV at a monthly site and take a weekend with the tent for "old fashioned" camping in the true boondocks because our tt doesn't function so well all alone without power and such. Some places simply demand the quiet commune with nature, so we find tent-only sites. We don't call our full time lifestyle camping, but we go camping when we ditch our "house" at a "campground" and find a spot that would be inaccessible with a vehicle.

I second the pp that mentioned the hellacious holiday weekends. Grrrroan!! if we ever have to deal with another circus like that at an RV park.

Tom
Those "hellacious holiday weekends" are all about what you are ready for and expect. My family has had a great time on Memorial Day weekends and especially Halloween weekends. We go to campgrounds (YES, I said CAMPgrounds!) expecting the crowd, noise, kids, night time activities and have a ball because of that.

If you don't want that experience, certainly keep that in mind when choosing dates and campgrounds.

Now that the kids are older teenagers and camping with us less, I look for quiet, no hookup rustic style campgrounds.

QUOTE(ThreeTravellingBlondes @ Sep 3 2013, 12:00 AM) *

I second the pp that mentioned the hellacious holiday weekends. Grrrroan!! if we ever have to deal with another circus like that at an RV park.


Just to clarify, I agree with you... now that our kids are older.
nedmtnman
We all have our idea of camping. I DO NOT camp. I live fulltime in an RV and have for 10 years. I can count on one hand the number of times I have sat at a campfire dodging the smoke. I live the lifestyle I do because it is what I want to do so don't judge me and I won't judge you. I too really don't get excited about holiday weekends as they are crowded and noisy but that is life. I can't always get what I want but I get what I need. I got to tent camp when I was employed by Uncle Sam in the 60's. I had 1/2 a tent and my buddy had the other 1/2. That cured me of tent camping and sleeping on the ground. I have not "camped" since I left that employment in 1969.
mdcamping
QUOTE(nedmtnman @ Sep 3 2013, 10:52 AM) *

We all have our idea of camping. I DO NOT camp. I live fulltime in an RV and have for 10 years. I can count on one hand the number of times I have sat at a campfire dodging the smoke. I live the lifestyle I do because it is what I want to do so don't judge me and I won't judge you. I too really don't get excited about holiday weekends as they are crowded and noisy but that is life. I can't always get what I want but I get what I need. I got to tent camp when I was employed by Uncle Sam in the 60's. I had 1/2 a tent and my buddy had the other 1/2. That cured me of tent camping and sleeping on the ground. I have not "camped" since I left that employment in 1969.


My sincere gratitude to you for your employment by Uncle Sam!!

Mike
JDOLLEN
Greetings CMCSMC,

***** Cut from your posts*****

“My wife and I decided we were going to try camping again. We are older so a few amenities would be nice. Running water, electricity for a fan in the summer, small things. We even bought a tent to see if we would like it before I modify a utility trailer to be our camper. That's right, modify a utility trailer to be a camper, because we can't afford a real camper.

You are absolutely right, RV'ing is not for me. Camping is. The problem is RV'ers have taken over the activity of camping and left those who enjoyed that activity with nothing left. Funny thing is the only reason RV'ers can do what they do is because of money. It is not about their ability to actually ENJOY the outdoors. More than likely if the money was taken away the RV parks would be empty, and the true campers would come back.

If I could say anything to the people on this forum, remember your past and give others a chance. If you like the comforts of home, stay home. If you like the fresh air of nature, (what's left of it) and ruggedness of being in it, consider downsizing so others can fit in. Remember you're supposed to be camping. The word camping has lost its meaning. That is a shame.”

***** MY turn *****

I found your posts to be somewhat melancholy. Like you were wishing for a simpler time when it seemed that everyone was in the same financial position. I can remember when most folks “camped” in tents. Most people spent a lot of time outside ‘cause there wasn’t much to do in a tent other than sleep. If it rained, there was always a tarp that provided shelter and you shared it with your neighbor if they didn’t have one. Cook houses were a great place to meet new people too. I guess, if you haven’t been exposed to the camping evolution, the transition could be somewhat shocking. But the change did not take place over night. It activity did evolve.

I have enjoyed ”getting away” since before I can remember and I am getting on in years now. I started with my folks in a small “tourist” tent along with four brothers. (That’s seven people in a car! No toys bikes or anything else for entertainment.) Once on my own and married, we still had a tent. It wasn’t long after children were born when we decided that a Tent Trailer would offer a little more comfort and convenience. From there, another larger Tent Trailer, a Travel Trailer, two class “C” s and now a class “A” and I’m still just “getting away from it all”. Does it really matter what your mode of “camping” is? The premise is still the same. If you enjoy meeting people and seeing the world, there should be nothing to stop you from doing so.

You sir, are guilty of the same “wants” as those who have more elaborate facilities. The first of your paragraphs listed above states that you are/were looking for more than just a tent. It doesn’t matter if you are converting a utility trailer or purchasing a “ready-made” RV. You would have been joining the “evolution”. You would have been backing over a tent to park your trailer. Your words, not mine.

The second of your paragraphs kind of back tracks. Now you don’t want the Trailer because every one that has more than a tent is ruining the experience. Again I say, what does it matter what you camp in? It’s all about getting away from it all. Are you worried that some folks would look down at you because of what you can afford? If that’s the case, then I am sad for you. I have to spend within my means. If that means I have a tent with patches or a mega dollar class A. It is what it is. I am not going to limit my enjoyment for fear of someone thinking they are better or worse than me. We all leave this world broke. I suggest you enjoy it whatever way you can.

The third paragraph I have quoted of yours really shows your sour grapes. To some, camping has become “Glamping”. In case you don’t understand, it pretty much means traveling in ultra-luxury. If this is what turns your crank, have at it. Life is short. Enjoy however and whatever way suits your needs. Be glad for those out there who are enjoying themselves. Most of us would not think any less of you if you were tenting or joining the “Land Yacht” class. The word “camping” has always meant getting out of your house and enjoying the world.

I do hope you get over your feeling of inadequacy and get on with life.

Darrell
SASMITH
We used to call it "camping" when we used a tent and pop up, Now after the 5th wheel and now the Motorhome we call it RVing. Either way it is a great way to escape the everyday hustle and bustle, relax and recharge.
NorthernIllinoisPlumber
QUOTE(SASMITH @ Oct 20 2013, 10:08 PM) *

We used to call it "camping" when we used a tent and pop up, Now after the 5th wheel and now the Motorhome we call it RVing. Either way it is a great way to escape the everyday hustle and bustle, relax and recharge.



Not ripping on you, but is it really an escape if we have the TV, computer, games, A/c?

Camping has definitely been taken over by capitalism. Build it and they will buy it.

I can understand the OP's point...we all have our idea of camping, vacations, hiking etc.

Right now we all are different in our habits and ways...hopefully we will stay that way forever! tongue.gif
Dutch_12078
We don't consider traveling in our motorhome "camping" at all. We call it, "Seeing the wonders of this great country from the comfort of our own home."
jamarynn1
QUOTE(NorthernIllinoisPlumber @ Oct 22 2013, 06:45 PM) *

Not ripping on you, but is it really an escape if we have the TV, computer, games, A/c?

Camping has definitely been taken over by capitalism. Build it and they will buy it.

I can understand the OP's point...we all have our idea of camping, vacations, hiking etc.

Right now we all are different in our habits and ways...hopefully we will stay that way forever! tongue.gif


Yes, it is still an escape for me, even with the comforts of home. It's our home for a 4-6 month stretch every year and I like to come "home" after a hard day of hiking or sightseeing and stretch out with the AC on and watch TV or blog on the computer. I did the tent camping route for many, many years, cooking over a fire and sleeping on leaky air mattresses, but now my tired old bones need some luxuries at the end of the day. When I can look out the window of my fiver and see majestic mountains, babbling creeks, or austere deserts instead of the side of the house next door, then it's definitely an "escape". Only, this time, I've taken the innerspring mattress and the hot showers with me....
NorthernIllinoisPlumber
QUOTE(jamarynn1 @ Oct 23 2013, 01:05 AM) *

Yes, it is still an escape for me, even with the comforts of home. It's our home for a 4-6 month stretch every year and I like to come "home" after a hard day of hiking or sightseeing and stretch out with the AC on and watch TV or blog on the computer. I did the tent camping route for many, many years, cooking over a fire and sleeping on leaky air mattresses, but now my tired old bones need some luxuries at the end of the day. When I can look out the window of my fiver and see majestic mountains, babbling creeks, or austere deserts instead of the side of the house next door, then it's definitely an "escape". Only, this time, I've taken the innerspring mattress and the hot showers with me....



That is a great way to explain it! Thanks.
dodge guy
The last time I did a state park campground my dog got fleas from the sand! no thanks!!! I see nothing wrong with a resort type campground, because I`m out to relax! doesn`t matter if I`m dry camping (haven`t done it and have no reason for it) or at a high end resort (only once in a great while). I don`t think it`s getting to expensive to camp. I try and avoid the places that charge extra for kids. in reality it is still cheap to camp compared to going to a hotel. and I can enjoy the outside! I`ve got a lot of $$$$ wrapped up in my Excursion and TT, and I want to be comfortable using it. if it means paying $30-50 even $60 a night, I`ll take it!
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