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GaryWT
Went to a park this weekend and saw more pop ups than I have seen at once in a couple years. Along with pop ups came kids. There were kids running all over having a great time. Maybe it is where I have been going but I don't see it much and it was good to see. What does everyone else see when camping. Do you still see pop ups or everything but...
NYDutch
Particularly at popular summer destination parks, I usually see a pretty good mix on weekends, including many pop-ups, smaller TT's, and kids. During the week though, it leans more towards motorhomes and 5'vers with an older crowd
mdcamping
My guess a lot of the popups were the younger holiday only campers.

I agree with Dutch_12078 weekday, off season and non destination type parks = older crowd and bigger Rv's. Of course there's always exceptions. cool.gif

Mike
dalsgal
We seldom have pop up's here at our CG. We are not a destination park but mostly for long term folks. We welcome all overnighters in any type of rig. My favorites are the bus conversions.
Tiffinman
Over the years we find that when we go to a inexpensive C/G we see alot more kids... popups....and messy campers. We feel if you spend more you get more of a quality park.
docj
QUOTE(tiffinman @ Jul 7 2014, 01:57 PM) *

We feel if you spend more you get more of a quality park.


With all due respect, I have to disagree. We have traveled over 40,000 miles in the past three and a half years and we have found a number of quality parks for $25 and many not-very-good ones for $65. Parks near major cities, particularly in the East, feel they can charge exorbitant amounts because there simply aren't many alternatives. The price they charge often has little to do with what you get in return. OTOH, out west you can find some absolutely fantastic parks for surprisingly little.

I will agree that the higher the price, the greater the pretentiousness of the park. Some people seem to equate snootiness with quality; we don't.
NYDutch
Some of the nicest parks we been in have been state and national parks, typically in the mid $20/night range. One of the noisiest, kid laden parks we've been in recently was an $82/night KOA near Washington, DC. Price does not always reflect "quality", depending on your definition of the word. To my mind, pop-ups do not reflect on a park's quality, one way or the other, nor do tents.
mdcamping
QUOTE(docj @ Jul 7 2014, 05:51 PM) *

With all due respect, I have to disagree. We have traveled over 40,000 miles in the past three and a half years and we have found a number of quality parks for $25 and many not-very-good ones for $65. Parks near major cities, particularly in the East, feel they can charge exorbitant amounts because there simply aren't many alternatives. The price they charge often has little to do with what you get in return. OTOH, out west you can find some absolutely fantastic parks for surprisingly little.

I will agree that the higher the price, the greater the pretentiousness of the park. Some people seem to equate snootiness with quality; we don't.


Speaking from my home state of CT, yes a lot the high cost has to do with few alternatives but we also have a high cost of living, some of the highest taxes in the country, and one of the most regulated states in the country too, this all translates to an awful lot less for your camping dollar. I think a lot of the other North East States are in the same shape.

Mike
Tiffinman
Well ...I can't speak for state parks because we never visit them due to our length restriction. IMHO we see more kids with parents in pop-ups at cheaper campgrounds.....then anywhere else. Although there are kids in more expensive parks but fewer pop-ups ....and better behaved kids.

Just my observations.....
docj
QUOTE(tiffinman @ Jul 8 2014, 10:27 AM) *

Although there are kids in more expensive parks but fewer pop-ups ....and better behaved kids.



On this point I will have to totally disagree. At higher priced parks you may see fewer popups but I don't see any correlation between the behavior of the kids and the price the parents are paying for the site. In fact, there may well be an inverse correlation between the affluence of a family and the obnoxiousness of their "entitled" children.

From your posts it is apparent that you equate money with "classiness" both in type of RVs at a park and, now, in the behavior of the children the RV carries. My experiences in life have not convinced me that these are related virtues. I'm quite content to mingle with the "lower classes"; I'll let you pay the higher prices to mingle with the Prevost owners and other higher class folks.
Tiffinman
Yeah....Unfortunately in our society ....money does create different classes. Also kids behavior does vary from class to class. Sorry if you don't agree with my observations.

Obviously you and I frequent different types of campgrounds in our travels....and mingle with different types of folks. We have worked hard and raised our kids to be responsible adults and now we like to travel and enjoy our senior years. We prefer quiet campgrounds with limited amount of kid traffic and noise ...that's OUR choice. We don't look to mingle with Prevost owners....but if we meet folks along the way who own a PREVOST.... it doesn't matter to us. The brand of coach someone owns doesn't make them a better person. We all put our pants on one leg at a time.
NYDutch
Your options are pretty clear then, stay away from destination campgrounds that attract the younger set. Look for parks that bill themselves as 55+.
Tiffinman
Thanks Dutch....we try our best.
Hutch333id
QUOTE(tiffinman @ Jul 8 2014, 08:27 AM) *

Although there are kids in more expensive parks but fewer pop-ups ....and better behaved kids.


Tiffinman, from my 25 years experience as a police officer in London, England I can unequivocally state that the worst behaved kids I ever dealt with were those who lived in an area I policed for a few years where the cheapest houses started with a $2,000,000 price tag (and that was 11 years ago). Some of the most respectful, well behaved kids came from families with few means, in hard trodden working class areas but who treasured what they had. The wealthy kids, like their parents, felt they had an entitlement and I was a mere surf only to be seen when they had a problem.

Wealth does not necessarily breed polite, well mannered children. Equally, lower income areas do not always generate squealing, kids with no manners.

Just my observations based on experience and dealing with a broad cross section of the public (on both sides of the Atlantic).
Tiffinman
Hutch....This is not England . Its the USA. Pick up a newspaper or turn on the TV ....tell me from what class .... most of the misguided kids come from.

I was born.... grew up.....lived and worked in NYC.......I've seen it all.
dalsgal
It's the same in the USA also. Sure there are some poor folks that have no class but some of the worst manners we see in this CG are from people that think they are better, richer, more important than the others that have a less expensive RV. I would rather have the less expensive RV's here with the families that can afford them than the big fancy rigs whose owners seem to think that because they are rich they are above all the rules of courtesy. Their dog doesn't have to be on a leash, they don't have to clean up after themselves or their pet, they think they can park their car in the middle of the drive without worrying about whether they are in the way of someone else and lots of other things that people with manners should do.
Tiffinman
Dalsgal...I would have to respectably disagree with your assumption about owners of big fancy rigs not following c/g rules. I very rarely see that.
What I do notice quite a bit is family's with kids tend to look the other way when their kids are breaking the rules. They have the attitude that their kid is perfect and can do no wrong and whatever they want. Just the other day we had kids playing baseball I front of our coach hitting the ball towards our site. Also riding their bikes thru our site to get to the playground / pool. When I approached the father ... I was told I was being unreasonable to worry about my windshield and that my insurance would cover any damage...... REALLY.....MY INSURANCE ??? The " quiet hours " also don't seem to apply to family's with kids . I'd much rather deal with a dog off a leach then a bunch of un-supervised misguided kids. Then when you notify management .... YOU became the " bad guy ".
dalsgal
You are free to disagree but we manage a CG and I know what I see with my own eyes. You don't see it because you are a camper and not a manager. Anyone that stays here knows that all they have to do is let me know about rule infractions and I will put a stop to it without hesitation. Quiet time goes for everyone, dogs on leash and clean up applies to everyone and leaving your site clean when you leave is the same for everyone. I don't stay on people about it but I do expect everyone, rich or poor, to show common courtesy.
Tiffinman
Well.......it sounds like you have your C/G under control and congrats to you and your team. Considering that your a manager and not mobile .....you may not get to see what goes on in other c/g's. We travel for 7+ months every year and get to visit ALOT of parks. This is our experience and its common in most parks with unruly kids. Regardless what the park cost is ...or if your in a PREVOST or POP-UP we expect everyone to abide by the rules....including their precious children.
dalsgal
My husband and I are the only employees here. We have no team. We lived in our RV for about 9 years so we have been in many different CG's and we saw the same problem in almost all of them. We expect good manners from everyone, whether they are high class snobs or poor folks that live in their RV because they can't afford anything else.
docj
Dalsgal:

Just accept the fact that some old people just don't like kids and leave it at that. My wife and I are finishing up two weeks in Halifax NS across the busy Canada Day/4th of July period at a park full of families with kids and we've enjoyed it immensely. Our site is even next to the playground and it's not been a problem. The most obnoxious people were those seniors on RV caravans whose tour buses would roar out of the park before 9am when most normal people were still having a second cup of coffee. laugh.gif

I'm sure we'd like your park; we don't mind rules as long as everyone obeys them.

Joel (AKA docj)
dalsgal
docj, you are someone I would love to have stay with us. We are an old park, not one for snobs, and have new owners that care about making the place better. The former owners didn't allow us to do anything other than maintain and not even much of that. I like people that like people and you seem to be one of those folks!
kcmoedoe
With all due respect, if someone doesn't like a certain facility that doesn't make them "Snobs". If they don't like a park with a lot of children, that doesn't make them evil and hateful. I have a very large motorhome. If I go to a park that only has 30 amp services, pads that I cannot get level on and roads that are really too narrow for my rig, I won't like it, and I won't be returning. That is not being snobbish, that is merely choosing parks that fit my rig.
As for children, I choose parks that do not cater to families. Activities that I enjoy are adult activities. I have no need for playgrounds, water parks and game rooms. I like it to be reasonably quiet where I stay, so I avoid parks that cater to children, that cater to motorcyclists, that cater to the 4 wheeler crowd, that cater to big parties.
If that makes me hateful or snobbish, so be it. But I believe there is a place parks that cater to certain demographics, just like all business categories. I occasionally like a pizza, but Chuck E Cheese is not my go to place, so I go elsewhere. That is not being a snob, that is being selective. A wise business position to take is "If you try to please everyone, you will end up pleasing no one. "
Tiffinman
QUOTE(kcmoedoe @ Jul 11 2014, 11:25 AM) *

With all due respect, if someone doesn't like a certain facility that doesn't make them "Snobs". If they don't like a park with a lot of children, that doesn't make them evil and hateful. I have a very large motorhome. If I go to a park that only has 30 amp services, pads that I cannot get level on and roads that are really too narrow for my rig, I won't like it, and I won't be returning. That is not being snobbish, that is merely choosing parks that fit my rig.
As for children, I choose parks that do not cater to families. Activities that I enjoy are adult activities. I have no need for playgrounds, water parks and game rooms. I like it to be reasonably quiet where I stay, so I avoid parks that cater to children, that cater to motorcyclists, that cater to the 4 wheeler crowd, that cater to big parties.
If that makes me hateful or snobbish, so be it. But I believe there is a place parks that cater to certain demographics, just like all business categories. I occasionally like a pizza, but Chuck E Cheese is not my go to place, so I go elsewhere. That is not being a snob, that is being selective. A wise business position to take is "If you try to please everyone, you will end up pleasing no one. "




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GaryWT
Wow am I sorry that I asked this question. I have been camping for 24 years and have camped in different campers over the years in the same campground and just asked about the number of pop ups. I am embarrassed that it went this way.
rkw99
I'd just like to add that the type or RV you have doesn't necessarily translate to wealth of the owners. We have had our 1995 29 ft travel trailer for over 12 years (bought it used outright for cash). We don't have any slides and our travelling family has evolved from DH and I and our dog to DH, our two girls, and this year our new puppy. We often marvel at the beautiful huge motorhomes pulling in next to our humble digs and are sometimes tempted to join in and buy one. But we quickly come back to reality and the fact that we use it 2-3 weeks a year and like to take other types of vacations as well. It has served our purposes well. Not to imply that we are particularly wealthy (some might say we are) but we certainly could afford to upgrade. We just choose not to.

I'm sure that the newer popups are nicer than our slideless old school rig wink.gif
Fitzjohnfan
QUOTE(GaryWT @ Jul 6 2014, 04:48 PM) *

Went to a park this weekend and saw more pop ups than I have seen at once in a couple years. Along with pop ups came kids. There were kids running all over having a great time. Maybe it is where I have been going but I don't see it much and it was good to see. What does everyone else see when camping. Do you still see pop ups or everything but...

I haven't seen any increase/change in types of rigs. One thing surprised me last year on a trip we took to Calif, we stopped in at Lake Powell. About 70% of the rigs were smaller class C rental motorhomes. Nothing wrong with that, I was just amazed that the rentals outnumbered other rigs.
BoomerNY
I notice more pop-ups and hybrids at smaller parks and out of the way/middle of nowhere parks. State parks as well. At the bigger destination type CGs, lots of amenities type parks, I see fewer. I do think pop-ups are appearing more frequently because (I think) camping/rv'ing is becoming more popular. Pop-ups are like an entry-level camper, where maybe someone wants to give it a try but doesn't want to spend 30k on a camper. Get a pop-up, give it a go for a year or two, and upgrade later if it's an activity you enjoy.

From my experience, a person's perceived "class" has little to do with them using a pop-up. Last trip, our neighbors had a Jayco pop-up, towed it with a BMW X5...
BoomerNY
QUOTE(GaryWT @ Jul 16 2014, 06:38 PM) *

Wow am I sorry that I asked this question. I have been camping for 24 years and have camped in different campers over the years in the same campground and just asked about the number of pop ups. I am embarrassed that it went this way.


You just never know when silliness will ensue, especially on an Internet forum.
Tiffinman
Another thing I find amusing is when I see a pop-up in a 50amp pull thru site. It takes up only about 1/2 of the site .... including the pull vehicle. I often wonder if it's the request of the pop-up owner or the blunder of the site management team . Regardless .... if that's what makes them happy campers ...good for them. IMHO it seems like a waste of money and a large 50A site.
dalsgal
tiff, some campgrounds do not charge different prices for 30 or 50 amp sites. All our sites are 20,30 and 50 and we are getting ready to add some 100 amp sites. Right now we don't charge extra and, if someone is only going to be here 1 night they can use a pull thru site at the same price. If a big motor home with tow car is going to be here longer than 1 night (and unhook) they get a back in spot so that we can save the pull thrus for those that do not plan to unhook. We have people coming in in conversion vans that cannot manage to back into a spot and they think they MUST have a pull thru. Frankly, those folks shouldn't be driving at all in my opinion.
docj
QUOTE(dalsgal @ Jul 23 2014, 03:32 PM) *

We have people coming in in conversion vans that cannot manage to back into a spot and they think they MUST have a pull thru. Frankly, those folks shouldn't be driving at all in my opinion.


ROFL, you are definitely my kind of person!
Tiffinman
dal....most c/g I've visited charge extra $$$ for full length pull thru ....50A....sewer & water. I've also stayed in pull thru's for more then just 1 night.....sometimes over a week because we enjoy the extra space and have unhooked the toad to go shopping. Sometimes I also book back-ins for extended period of time it depends on our situation.

I have seen pop-ups in pull-thru.... 50A... full hook up sites with a 50A to 20A adaptor using a lite extension cord and NO sewer hose hooked up.... for over a week. To me that's a waste of $$$ and poor site management......but that's just my opinion.

It will be nice when parks start to install 100A sites.......sometimes 50A just isn't enough.
dalsgal
They are starting to make 100 Amp required RV's so we feel it is necessary. We don't have tons of pull thrus so we try to keep them available for those that aren't unhooking. For people towing their RV our back in spots are long enough so they don't have to unhook. Why should we rent the pull thrus to people that are unhooking and have to make someone with a tow car have to unhook just to be able to park?
Tiffinman
They are starting to make 100 Amp required RV's so we feel it is necessary.

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That I'm glad to hear......with the new bigger all electric coaches 50A just isn't enough power.



Why should we rent the pull thrus to people that are unhooking and have to make someone with a tow car have to unhook just to be able to park?

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If that's what they want and are paying for why not ? ?
dalsgal

If that's what they want and are paying for why not ?

They pay the same price but I feel it is fair to let the ones that aren't unhooking have the pull thrus. Why do people that are unhooking and staying longer feel they are entitled to a spot that someone that is going to be here for 1 night really needs? How would you feel if you pulled in and someone that was going to be here for days had the last pull thru and you were told you must unhook and back into a site just for one night? I'd be willing to bet that you would get angry and leave.
Gunnar
I can't say I have seen a whole bunch of pop ups in the spots we have stayed this year. I have seen many driving by on the highway though. I think in my area many of them stay in the provincial parks.

When I was a kid we had a pop up/tent trailer. It was basically a tent on wheels.
Tiffinman
QUOTE(dalsgal @ Jul 23 2014, 08:01 PM) *

They pay the same price but I feel it is fair to let the ones that aren't unhooking have the pull thrus. Why do people that are unhooking and staying longer feel they are entitled to a spot that someone that is going to be here for 1 night really needs? How would you feel if you pulled in and someone that was going to be here for days had the last pull thru and you were told you must unhook and back into a site just for one night? I'd be willing to bet that you would get angry and leave.


No......when I pull into a park.....I don't know how long the pull-thru customers will be there .....nor do I care.

but .....if I pulled into a park and there where a bunch of pull thru sites EMPTY and I was willing to pay the price ( most parks charge extra ) and was told I couldn't have one because somebody MAY come in LATER and need it......that would make me angry and I would leave If I'm a late arrival and have to unhook and back in that's fine .....I'm happy just to get ANY site and not be told there are NO sites available.


That's just how I feel



Texasrvers
QUOTE(dalsgal @ Jul 23 2014, 09:01 PM) *
How would you feel if you pulled in and someone that was going to be here for days had the last pull thru and you were told you must unhook and back into a site just for one night?


Honestly, I would be disappointed that I could not have a pull through, but I would not leave the park unless I had reserved a pull through, and then it was given away. That would make me mad, but I probably wouldn't leave even then; I'd go ahead and take the back in. If I did not have a reservation and a pull through was not available, I would then blame myself for not reserving one before they were all taken.

We prefer pull throughs regardless of our length of stay, and I would be a bit more upset if I couldn't have one just because I was staying several nights. Also, I would think the park owner would want our 2-3+ sure thing rather than take a chance that 2-3+ individuals would be passing through and want a pull through. It would also upset me even more if I took the back in and then the pull throughs sat vacant the whole time we were there.

On occasion we have stayed at parks where we have seen smaller 30 amp rigs/popups on big rig/50 amp sites. My feeling is that if the smaller rigs got there/reserved first, they have just as much right to stay on a larger site if that is what they want to pay for. It's the old adage of first come gets the best spots.

I think it is good that you or any park tries to hold open pull through sites for overnighters, but if someone requests a pull through, I hope you aren't turning them away just because they will be there more than one night.
Fitzjohnfan
We are on the opposite side of the same fence. I drive an older 30a coach, and have stayed 1-2 nights at a local KOA. Because we are staying a short time, we have been automatically put in the pull-through sites, but then I am told we are getting charged an extra $3.00 for the pull through. I would prefer to spend the few extra minutes to back in and save the extra charge.

Texasrvers
I said we prefer pull throughs, but I probably should have qualified that a bit more and added "when all things are equal." If the pull throughs cost a lot more--more than a few bucks--and if we are going to unhook anyway, we might choose a back in. Also if the pull throughs are in full sun and the back ins are in shade and it is 100 degrees outside, we would probably choose the back in, so we sometimes choose back ins when there are circumstances that make them a better site. Otherwise we stick with pull throughs.
Luvtheroad
We prefer pull-thrus because that gives us TWO options to get out of the site. We've had to back out of a pull-thru site more than once because some idiot has parked his pickup on the drive across from us and now we don't have the room to swing out (couple that with tight spots/trees/posts/boulders and you don't have a lot of lee-way). I'm not shy about asking someone to move their truck, but on occasion, they aren't there.
docj
QUOTE(jamarynn1 @ Jul 25 2014, 10:37 PM) *

We prefer pull-thrus because that gives us TWO options to get out of the site. We've had to back out of a pull-thru site more than once because some idiot has parked his pickup on the drive across from us and now we don't have the room to swing out (couple that with tight spots/trees/posts/boulders and you don't have a lot of lee-way). I'm not shy about asking someone to move their truck, but on occasion, they aren't there.


I was in a similar situation just last week. I ended up not having to back out, but I did unhook the toad so I had the ability to back up and maneuver if I needed to. Sort of defeated the purpose of a pull-through, though.
Tiffinman
QUOTE(docj @ Jul 26 2014, 06:40 AM) *

I was in a similar situation just last week. I ended up not having to back out, but I did unhook the toad so I had the ability to back up and maneuver if I needed to. Sort of defeated the purpose of a pull-through, though.



This has happen to us also.....more times then I care to recall.

Brings up a whole new topic " inconsiderate campers " the all about " me " campers who do what is best for them ....regardless. I'm in a park now where a small T/T & truck are in a pull-thru spot ( too far back ) and has his awning support post staked to the ground about a foot into the already narrow gravel roadway. Management has spoken to him about it and his reply was ....." I need to be close to the sewer hookup because I only have one section of sewer hose. REALLY ????

I'm almost certain if someone pulling down the roadway accidently rips his awning off.....he would want to sue you.
Fitzjohnfan
Btw, if anyone runs a campground and doesn't like pop-ups, they could always install a pop-up blocker!
Tiffinman
QUOTE(Fitzjohnfan @ Jul 28 2014, 12:52 AM) *

Btw, if anyone runs a campground and doesn't like pop-ups, they could always install a pop-up blocker!



Now that's funny........ biggrin.gif


Thanks for the laugh this morning.



nedmtnman
QUOTE(tiffinman @ Jul 28 2014, 06:10 AM) *

Now that's funny........ biggrin.gif
Thanks for the laugh this morning.



LOL... thanks for the laugh
vincee
I have noticed a difference of the type of campers at campgrounds not based on the type of campground, but more because of the effects of the economy and folks ability to "hit the roads" and see this beautiful country. A couple of years back it seemed all you saw at CG's were pop-ups with few or any class A or C. It didn't seem to matter if they had kids, dogs rich or poor. Now that the economy and stock market is better, you see many more large (huge too!) 5th wheels, brand new larger TT and a whole lot more class A with out of state plates. Those using their investment monies to subsidize the lifestyle have a lot more breathing room then five years back. To me, the CG the DW and I use is based on reviews on this website, visiting the CG website and hoping for photos to see how large or not the sites are, if there is a reasonable amount of peace and quiet to be had, not necessarily all day, and the convenience to attractions where we are staying. Who, or what with whom would never cross our minds.
John S.
I look for campgrounds that are adult oriented. Then the kids got a trailer and asked where should we go.... Oops I said let me think. Thought of all the places we would not go back to and they loved them. Lots of stuff for the kids to do. So, it was hammered home, I will and have been choosing different locations for years and when they want to go along we look for different styles of camping. I think you see less pop ups in the south then up north too. Who wants to tent camp at 102 degrees. There are some campgrounds including national parks that say hard sided units only.
grim509
QUOTE(tiffinman @ Jul 8 2014, 03:10 PM) *

Yeah....Unfortunately in our society ....money does create different classes. Also kids behavior does vary from class to class.


You are absolutely right! Kids we find at State Parks are respectful of others' sites, and are quite polite. Whereas children at "higher class" parks tend to be uppity snobs with no respect of others' property. They feel entitled to pick on younger kids, kick them off the playgrounds (teens doing this), entitled to cut through campsites, even if campers are there, and are usually extremely messy in the bathrooms because they don't have someone to clean up after them.

Of course, they learn from the best with parents that have no sense of decency and equate class with behavior. I mean, these are the same parents that think it's ok to run their generators past quiet hours because they need to power their big screen TVs.
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