Dec 2 2005, 11:45 AM
This water leak in the windshield area has me at my wits end. The unit involved is a 2003 Holiday Rambler Vacationer, and has a two piece windshield. I have heard other owners of Holidays voice the same complaint. The servicing Holiday dealer has tried four times to repair, and has slowed the volume of the leakage, but we still have a leak. Have asked at each of the last two repairs that maybe a glass repair shop be called in. They acknowledge that it maybe a good idea, but this has not happened as yet. As everyone knows, water intrusion, even in small amounts, can cause extensive damage over time. Now for 2006, ALL Holidays have a one piece windshield, I can only guess why the change was made. Our next move is to take the motor home to the glass shop ourselves, pay the bill, and fight with Holiday over re-imbursement. Has anyone had this problem, and had a good and favorable outcome ?? The Workhorse dealer has not been able to repair our cab (dash) A/C. The A/C compressor is leaking refrigerant at the shaft seal, but will not replace the compressor. This leakage is evident and noticeable,as dye was added to the refrigerant twice, but their excuse is they can not pin point the location of the leakage. Myself, having retired from work as a mechanic, in the past, and more recently as a Parts Manager, I have some knowledge as to why the problem exist and it's location. As the motor home is in winter storage till spring, we will have to engage those problems in the spring. Any information or opinions would be gladly excepted. Please advise.
safe travels, enjoy
Dec 3 2005, 11:11 AM
QUOTE(Webmaster @ Mar 18 2003, 01:12 PM)
Welcome to the campground disscussion board hosted by RV Park Reviews. The rules are simple--this forum is for discussion of RV Parks, RV Resorts and Campgrounds. Any usage other than that will be removed by the webmaster. Please be kind to one another as this is a forum for the enjoyment of all RV'ers. If you wish to post and/or submit a review on this forum you will need to register (it is free and requires a valid email address for validation which can not be retrieved by others from this forum)
Not trying to be rude here and I appreciate your frustration, but I think you would be better served over on one of the rv websites that could help you more. This website is for rv parks & campgrounds only as you can see from the above from the webmaster.
Dec 3 2005, 11:20 AM
I disagree. This site has had discussions on everything from toilet tissue to kids graduating from the police academy to spelling lessons. One of the things that makes it unique and helpful is the openess and "no holds barred" attitude of the webmaster so long as people are civil to each other. I think the question from Butch on an RV windshield and air conditioner is perfectly appropriate for this forum as it is most definitely an RV issue.
Dec 3 2005, 11:29 AM
Beastdriver, I agree with you 100%. Butch I wish I could help you.
Dec 3 2005, 01:59 PM
I was not going to respond to your posting, but I will. As per the rules, of the forum, you are entirely correct. The material used in the topic was not in the form of discussion of RV Parks, RV Resorts, and campgrounds. The topic was RV related though. I was looking for experiences of others. But I thank you for bring this failure, on my part, to my attention. One part of this situation bothers me. Why was my posting singled out as the one to invoke the rules against ? I have read at least ten plus topics, on page one of the forum, that also do not fall within the discussion perimeters, and you choose not to say anything to or about those postings. I fail to see your reasoning, please enlighten me. Above all, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. Do I believe you were rude ? Yes I do, and that's my opinion.
have a good day, safe travels,
Dec 3 2005, 06:19 PM
First of all welcome to the site. I'm sorry your "introduction" got off on a bad foot. But, I really don't think Genestoy meant to be rude. Maybe his wording could have been a little different. I think he was just trying to help you by steering you toward another site that he thinks should be able to give you the answers you need. Hopefully someone on here can
help you, but if not, you now have another resource to check out. Please don't get discouraged and leave the site over what may have been just a little misunderstanding.
I'm going to quote one of my favorite people on here now:
For the most part, you will find the guys (and gals) here to be wonderful people.
I agree with that 100%!
And, I'll say it again, I NEVER corrected anyone's spelling but my own! I don't deliberately launch attacks against other posters.
Dec 3 2005, 06:29 PM
Sorry Butch, but as I said I did not mean to be rude, just trying to help you get a better answer as most folks here are discussing campgrounds and not rv problems. I belong to several other forum websites and some of them have gotten out of hand completely. They post things that have nothing to do with the website or the forum and I realize there have been other topics here also off the subject of campgrounds but not very many, but yours just happened to be the most recent so thought I would bring it to your attention and to others so this wonderful forum and website does not go astray like so many others have done. I did not intend to single out JUST your post, but again make everyone aware of what this forum is all about.
By the way there are 566 topics, 2377 replies to those topics and there are only approximately 30 topics that are not about campgrounds.
Dec 3 2005, 10:51 PM
One nice thing about forums of this type, you can see by the Topic Title what it is about. If you are not interested, you do not have to read it, you don't even have to open it. You can use your time visiting only the topics that interest you and let everyone else do the same.
Dec 3 2005, 11:27 PM
Thanks Cheryl - yes, I did recognize my quote there, and you know you are one of my favorite's too. Us Cheryl's have to stick together. I was a little surprised by this thread, as it made me realize I have been breaking the rules all along. When I have any RV related problem or question at all, I present it to you guys because I know you will have the answer for me. I consider most of you my "motorhome buddies" and I have had no qualms in asking for your advice on many issues. I never even considered it was rv park discussions only. Am I going to change my direction??? No, not unless the webmaster requests that I do. While the intent of this website may be to provide us with info on parks, which I do find invaluable, I also think the fact that we can discuss rv related issues (and sometimes other issues too) is something that bonds us together. By the way, welcome to our forum Butch. I hope someone here does give you some direction in your search for the answer to your leak problem. Okay Beastdriver, what is up - I noticed you didn't tell him what he could do to fix this and I find you always have the solution to my questions!!!!
Dec 4 2005, 09:26 AM
I wish I could advise him what to do about his windshield and his air conditioner but it has been my experience, and the experience of many others on this site, that most RV dealers care about their customers until the check clears, and then you're on your own. There are some exceptions, I admit, but it appears that the vast majority don't even attempt good service after the sale. That is why, when I buy my next RV, I will go to Montana or some other sales tax free state. On my last one, I felt I should buy it close to home in case I had some service problems, and I paid around $10,000 in sales tax. But I learned that you get the same shoddy service in most cases no matter where you buy it. So, why pay 5%,6%, 7%, or even more in sales taxes, if you live in a sales tax state. Buy it in a tax free state and don't delude yourself that you will get any better service if you buy from your local dealer. As an industry, the RV industry overall has a miserable record of providing service to customers.
Dec 4 2005, 02:33 PM
Dec 4 2005, 02:45 PM
As I understand it, you do not have to purchase your motorhome in Montana. We have friends that have titled and licensed their motorhomes in Montana. They did not buy them there, nor do they live there.
They had a Montana attorney set up a Montana holding company for them. Montana attorneys advertise in the Escapees and other magazines.
The Escapees, irv2 and Open Roads forums might be able to help you with your water leaks and air conditioner problems.
I haven't checked, but Holiday Rambler probably has a forum also.
Dec 4 2005, 05:57 PM
I have heard that once you set up your Montana "corporation" you can also buy automobiles there with no sales tax. We are definitely going to look into it when the time comes to upgrade our motorhome, which will probably be in the next year or so. We are kicking ourselves for not getting a diesel the first time and also for not getting a bedroom slide. We were newbies to the rv world and just didn't know, but after the first road trip that was longer than a weekend, we were convinced we had not made the best decision for us.
Dec 4 2005, 07:45 PM
Be sure to carefully check out how a purchase and registration in Montana will affect you in your own state. I know that friends of mine who bought in Montana, when they are ready to sell, must sell outside of their state of residence, Florida. If they sell within Florida, the total tax becomes due as I understand it. Anyway, good legal advice, which I plan to get with my next buy, is critical!
Dec 5 2005, 09:19 AM
Note of explanation.
This was my first attempt at posting a topic, and was not a pleasant experience. It was most educational though. I had second thoughts before posting, and in hindsight, should have not made the posting. Always remember, if your not careful, you will learn something new everyday. I did. My intention was to obtain the opinions of others on my subject matter. In closing, if I did not abide by or use the proper perimeters, let me take this opportunity to apologize to those who took exception with the posting. Thank you to those who did respond and did try to answer my concerns.
safe travels and enjoy your day,
Please note that there maybe those
who maybe watching your postings
content for rule violations.
Dec 5 2005, 12:00 PM
Butch, I truly hope that this experience will not prevent you from returning to this website and from posting in the future. Unfortunately, many of us here have come under attack, at one time or another, so just look at it as it happened early for you and you've gotten it out of the way!!! I look forward to reading future posts from you, so don't let me down!!! If I had the "know-how", I would start a website where we could go to discuss rv related issues. Finances and mergers and acquisitions I know, but computers aren't really my forte'. I hope you stick with us.
Dec 5 2005, 02:57 PM
Amen to what Cheryl Fuller says. I once was chastised because I confused Wal-Mart and Wally World (At my age, I sometimes confuse the bathtub and the motorhome). But, anyway, you can't take it personally, and you have to make like a duck in water and let it roll off your back! Welcome to the site, and don't let this experience make you shy about participating in the future.
Dec 5 2005, 05:02 PM
All of us need to remember that the written word doesn't always come across the way the writer intended. It is hard to determine if someone is being sarcastic, just trying for a little humor, or innocently trying to be helpful by what they post. In a conversation, you have facial expressions and tone of voice to go by. You don't get that when reading someone's post. We are all adults here and should be able to get along. I think the main purpose of this forum is to help each other not hurt. Let's all "play nice"!
Dec 28 2005, 10:50 PM
This may or may not be helpful but I found the following clip on the www.prevost-stuff.com website. Maybe you problem can be fixed by the method discussed.
excerpt...." It's been my experience that some converters believe the rubber around the windshield and side windows is a complete seal in itself--that if a glass is removed and replaced it won't leak. That is NOT true. Butyl sealer is required between the glass and the rubber gasket. It must be pumped in between the two, to the manufacturer's specifications. In heavy rain (30 minutes into it), inspect the inside bottom of the glass at the rubber to see if there is any sign of water. It should be dry. Obviously, each side should be checked individually based on the direction of the weather. "
Hope it helps.
Dec 29 2005, 10:05 AM
Thanks for the response and the information.
Dec 29 2005, 04:07 PM
ISN'T THAT WHY THE "GENERAL CHAT" FORUM WAS CREATED, TO DISCUSS THINGS OTHER THAN CAMPGROUNDS.....IT SEEMS TO ME THAT AN "RV WINDSHIELD" IS MUCH MORE RELATED TO SUBJECT, THAN, SAY, A PICTURE OF SOMEONE'S GRANDKIDS, WHICH I NOTICED ON HERE VERY RECENTLY.
Dec 29 2005, 06:37 PM
Sorry if it offended you that my grandsons pic was here, but our wonderful administrator created this general chat forum when I posted it so we could have a place to talk about other things. The general chat forum is new, only a few weeks old and so actually was not in existence when the discussion of the windshield was launched and that discussion was moved from the rv park discussion area into general chat when it was created. I personally never thought that any post was out of place as for the most part, we are friends here and felt free to discuss anything. If you would like to post a picture of your kids, grandkids, dog or anything, I would be happy to look at it.
Dec 29 2005, 09:31 PM
I rather enjoyed seeing your grandsons picture.
This is what it states under the General Chat headline:
Post anything here "Other" than RV Park or Campground discussions
In the General Chat Forum Notice, it goes on to say:
We still reserve the right to delete any "objectionable" posts made in this forum so again lets all get along and have fun camping
If everyone follows this guideline, this will be a much happier forum.
Dec 29 2005, 11:23 PM
Well thank you Cheryl, and I enjoyed feeling free to show it to all of you. Is it just me or does anyone else feel like people are shouting at you when they type in all caps???
Dec 30 2005, 08:45 AM
I have seen people in many other forums refer to all caps as yelling/shouting. And it does make you feel as if you are being chastised/criticised.
But to give the benefit of the doubt to igrving (it is his/her first post after all), sometimes if your cap lock accidently gets put on (usually through bad typing on my part in personal emails) you don't want to have to delete and retype everything. When that happens, I would put in a line about - sorry for the caps, they got stuck on to let the recipient know I'm not yelling at them.
Your welcome Cheryl. Have any of Christmas Day to show us?
Dec 30 2005, 10:06 AM
I would like to say that I was in no way offended by the picture of your Grandson---I even looked at his picture and read everything on the subject, and enjoyed it as well. I honestly did not mean to come across as offensive. The other "Cheryl" had noted a few lines up that it is sometimes hard to tell if someone is being sarcastic or going for a little humor; well I assure you I was only going for a little humor, which obviously didn't go over very well. My only point was that I felt if one could post about family, another should be able to post about RV related issues without having to apologize for it, as "Butch" did. But I do apologize as I did not notice the post occurred before the "general chat" was formed. But I cannot apologize for my capital letters. Lord help us if we are now offended by capital letters. I work in an office where our computer systems requires we type in all caps. I simply did not turn it off, I was not "yelling" at anyone. I find that after sitting in front of a computer all day with tired eyes, I appreciate the large font and wish others used it more often. I meant no harm. Although this was my first post, I visit this site daily and enjoy it thoroughly, so if it's all the same, we'll just nip this in the bud now and hope Butch gets his windshield fixed.
Dec 30 2005, 02:56 PM
Good Grief ! What happened here ? I was just trying to find if anyone else, in the RVing public, was having, or had had the same problem with their Holiday Rambler ? Well anyway, "Happy New Year", hope 2006 is the better for one and all. Please don't forget our military wherever they maybe stationed.
Feb 19 2006, 08:25 PM
An update to the re-occurring water leak situation. We have a Holiday Rambler Rally coming up in July 06 @ Fryeburg Maine. As the dealer was having problems trying to find and stop the leak, I was going to have the factory techs, at the rally, look the problem over and make the necessary repairs. Upon calling the customer service dept at Monaco Coach, the manufacturer, for the appointment, I was informed that no previous mention was made by the dealer to Monaco as to a leak in the windshield area. The omission by the dealer will now make the repair our financial responsibility. So a word to the wise, which I was not, is to have your dealer document every inspection and repair when the unit is under warranty so that the manufacturer is aware and the problem is recorded in case a future repair is needed under an expired warranty. I now have second thoughts about the dealer and the manufacturer, "Monaco" in respect to their customer service. O well, live and learn, and what the heck it's only money.
Feb 19 2006, 09:59 PM
There should have been some "paperwork" if you have taken your coach into a dealer for the windshield leak? If they never gave you any then I would contact the dealer and request copies of the work order(s) and then forward copies to Monaco proving that you did in fact have the coach in for repairs while under warrenty. The dealer would have had to submit a claim to a manufacturer for parts ordered or they submitted a claim for labor reimbursement for the repair. If they merely squirted a hose on your windsheild while you watched and said there was no leak or something like that then you truly are out of luck, but if you have just one work order stating your complaint to the service department regarding the leaking windshield then you have a case. Any reputable dealer will have a copy of a work order before they would even begin to look at any repair job.
They will be able to look up your work orders either by your name or the coach serial number in their computer. Don't give up until you get them.
Jul 31 2006, 10:19 AM
Just an update to the original posting, "RV windshield water leak". As stated in my previous posting, we did attend the July 2006 Holiday Rambler International Rally at Fryeburg Maine. At the rally," Monaco" had a number, (38), service techs on site for service repairs at no cost for the labor portion of the repairs. At the service repair write up area, I ask who was the senior representative from Monaco, and was refered to a Mr. Phil Lord. I proceeded to inform him of our displeasure with Monaco's answer to correspondence as to the water leak problem in our coach, that we were not looking for anything, we just wanted to state our displeasure and frustration. At this point he stated that they, "Monaco' would be happy to inspect and if necessary, make a repair to resolve the water leak problem. We were then refered to a service writer, who wrote up the repair work order. Two days later a tech, named Bob Young, inspected and proceeded to seal the windshield, which lacked any chalking in the seal area, as per the tech's inspection. Two and a quarter hours later he was finished with the repair to our coach and proceeded to his next assignment. Upon leaving the rally for home, we had two days of very hard rain, and knock on wood, the water leak appears to have been eliminated, and at no cost to us. Why it takes a face to face conversation to have the manufacturer acknowledge their responsibility in the problem, just is not good "customer relations". Maybe, just maybe, it was my remark, to Phil Lord, "that maybe in a couple of years we will be looking to upgrade with another coach, and that it will not have a Monaco name plate on it because they do not stand behind their product". Well you would like to think the remark had something to do with the outcome.
Jul 31 2006, 01:09 PM
Butch, I am so happy that you finally got your problem resolved. I am sure you were watching that leaky spot the whole time you were going thru those storms!!!
Jul 31 2006, 06:02 PM
You are very correct, we both watched the area very closely. I was driving, but Kathy was looking for any drops big or small. The storm(s) was a good test, and guess what---it passed !! The rally itself left a lot to be desired, it was not worth the money and or the time spent, BUT we have our water leak fixed, so I guess you could say, we got our monies worth. Last week I returned to the Workhorse warranty repair shop, for the fourth time, for the other problem --- the leak of refrigerant from the dash air conditioner which they stated they could not find in the previous three times. Guess what ?? They found that leak also, so now in two weeks we will have our coach A-1, the first time since we brought it three years ago. Now it's time to trade---just kidding.
Jan 9 2007, 10:00 PM
Did the statement next to General Chat "Post anything here "Other" than rv park or campground discussions" get added after these postings? Seems to me it would be a violation if you wrote about parks and campgrounds here. NO?
Jan 10 2007, 08:16 AM
This posting was posted by myself before the " General Chat " was implemented. So I was blasted for not following the rules at the time. In my defense, I was new to this site, and did not bother to inform myself as to the rules. Soon after the incident, the " Webmaster " set up the General Chat for postings that did not pertain directly to RV parks and or campgrounds. The subject matter that was other than RV Parks, etc, was moved to this part of the site. There does seem to be a double standard as there are postings that do not belong here but in RV Parks and Campground Discussions. So to answer your question, as I see it, you are correct. But I have come to the conclusion, that the policing of the postings here, or wherever, I leave to " others " whoever they may be.