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10/2013
rating [ 6/10 ]
This is an old mobile home park that they just cleared the trailers out and cut the spaces in half, the pull thrus will have paved parking the next will have just grass. The water hookup are sunk into the ground at varying heights and can be very awkward. They have carved some of the older trees in to nice sculpture . Probably over 1/2 the spaces are permanent sites I probably would go back again, but only because of lack of any decent place to stay in Tulsa
10/2013
rating [ 8/10 ]
Nice friendly park staff, sites are a mix of side by side (all pull thru) back in sites are not side by side lots of grass would stay again.
07/2013
rating [ 8/10 ]
Military camp so there are a lot of things to do if you like water sports . Sits on Lake Texhoma and is not the easiest to get to. Is not on base but 125 miles north. Most sites are side by side with some pull throughs. Some of the sites are very close together overall; however, it is a good place and will go back again
06/2013
rating [ 9/10 ]
Stayed in one of the premium spots and it was well worth it. Right on the canal. We could watch the big boats going by and see the draw bridges open and close. Our site had a hot tub and cement patio. Had good water and electric. Sites are a little close together on the water. All are either back in or pull in and back out. Will stay again
06/2013
rating [ 7/10 ]
A nice stop for 1 or 2 nights especially if you like to fish. Sites are easy to get in good WiFi and all power and water. Entrance is a little tricky in and out but other then that good park
11/2012
rating [ 7/10 ]
OK park, desert setting all gravel and sand. Not good for dogs paws but livable. Electric good, Water pressure very poor had to turn on the water pump to take a shower. Work campers run the place and most of them were very nice, owner lives on the property but has very little interest in the guest .
09/2012
rating [ 8/10 ]
Nice clean park. Friendly staff easy access some road noise. Sewer connection at far back of sites requiring extension, WiFi only in office and laundry but AirCard works very well. When checking in you will block the drive way as there is no lane for check-in. Would return.
09/2012
rating [ 4/10 ]
This is a gravel parking lot, rigs very close together. We did not stay as what they called big rig access would have us sticking out front and back. They got a 4 only because they were very understanding and refunded our money with no questions
09/2012
rating [ 5/10 ]
As some one else said the owner had taken her mean pills this day, nothing pleasant about her. Wi-FI iffy, water pressure high, electric OK, sites very tight, bushes need trimming, sites awkward for entry and exit; especially if you have someone next to you. Would not stay here again.
04/2012
rating [ 7/10 ]
Very friendly staff. Gravel and dirt all around but what you would expect for a desert setting. Sites are not level at the front of the park and we had to get moved because front wheels were off the ground and looking at some in the back lots of boards under the rigs. All that said it is one of the few with pull throughs so we will probably come back.
03/2012
rating [ 6/10 ]
As the last poster said they were going to shut down in February but the owner found a buyer and is in the process of try to sell. However the restaurant is closed, it looks as thou the watering has been stopped, the services for RVs has been stopped (all signs are down). Hope they can at least keep it open, it is a good overnight stop even with out the amenities.
03/2012
rating [ 9/10 ]
This is probably the nicest friendliest park in the area. There doesn't appear to be much for kids but the park is clean, little curvy roads nice back in sites right on the water fish from behind your rig can't beat that. Quiet and well lit at night. The only problem we had was the Wi-Fi as has been noted in other post is sporadic to non existent but we will be coming back. The area its in is not the best and the road coming in is bad.
03/2012
rating [ 8/10 ]
This is a nice park overall, but water is a little awkward to get on and doesn't seen to have full pressure. The roads are a little tight especially at the entrance . We will definitely be back.
11/2011
rating [ 8/10 ]
Nice place. Located off the interstate 1 mile, but you can still hear it. The sites are very level, and there is good water and electric. A great overnight spot.
11/2011
rating [ 8/10 ]
Very nice park with friendly and helpful staff. Has easy access. Was a little noisy but not bad over all. They were even nice enough to recommend a park for the next night, even though it was not part of their corporate chain.
11/2011
rating [ 8/10 ]
I agree with the prior poster. Friendly staff, nice little fishing lake, not worth the posted rate. But well taken care of, with nice big sites.
10/2011
rating [ 7/10 ]
This is a nice park with a few more amenities then most KOA. Has friendly staff.
10/2011
rating [ 6/10 ]
The owners of this park are very friendly but that is all the good to say for the park. Sites are all back-ins with no cable TV, no amenities of any kind. Sites are very small with all utilities are in the back. The sewer hookup is under the back of the coach making it very difficult to get at. Would go back if I couldn't find any place else, but that probably would go for all back-in parks
10/2011
rating [ 9/10 ]
This is one of the nicest parks we have stayed at. Coming from an asphault parking lot, with neighbors a slide and a half away, this is what camping is all about and what it should be.
10/2011
rating [ 8/10 ]
Good level sites, friendly helpful staff, Good water and electric. Bad on the water connections if you have bending problems hookups are below ground and not easy to get to. nice level pad next to some of the sites. Would come back.
10/2011
rating [ 2/10 ]
We have been staying here for 4 years and using PA. For the PA rate it is an OK park. We had been staying in a part of the park that had tables and was not side by side even though it was only a pea gravel lot. This time PA rate only gets to the back of the park in side by side sites with no tables, and when I asked the manager about this I was told no exceptions, and I would park where he wanted to put me not where I wanted to be. So I told them that from now on I will park in some other park in this area. We will not be back.
06/2011
rating [ 7/10 ]
Got in early and they set me up in a site with lots of trees. But we wanted to use our satellite dish so they were nice enough to move us to a better site. Row A and B have the only open sky sites. Sites were level, easy hookup but Wi-Fi was almost non existent. Only worked 2 days of the 4 days we stayed, the rest of the time we used our air card. I would stay here again.
06/2011
rating [ 8/10 ]
Nice shady park with bushes separating the sites. Friendly staff, easy check in. The only complaint is currently they are putting in new wiring and water, and are leaving some mud around. So be careful as it will track into your rig. Would stay here again
05/2011
rating [ 9/10 ]
Very nice park, big spaces a little on the short side for some of the pull-throughs. A two dollar a day per dog charge and close to the highway (99) but below it and hardly noticeable. Good Wi-Fi and utilities Very friendly staff . Would stay here again (we were here for two weeks).
04/2011
rating [ 4/10 ]
Ths park is located next to a 24 hr recycling center and you get to hear it all night. They allow pets, but it is not pet friendly with the manager making sure the polices are explained to you. Sites are nor level. The dog walk is a small space with no grass and don't let your dog get out of that area to do its business. We wont be coming back here.
04/2011
rating [ 5/10 ]
Pluses - Close to the city, great views, friendly and helpful staff. Minuses - Asphalt parking lot. I have seen storage lots with more space between rigs. Long term rigs tend to rust out and there are a few of them. I will come back here only because it is close to family and friends.
04/2011
rating [ 5/10 ]
While all the amenities are there the WiFi is horrible. We have been in the same area for the last 2 years and in both cases we were told we are working to get it better but it is ATT fault not ours not buying that any more will find some where else to stay while in Bakersfield
04/2011
rating [ 8/10 ]
Friendly staff, clean grounds park in 2 sections back is away from road and well kept. Will stay there again is very good for overnight.
10/2010
rating [ 8/10 ]
I would have given them a 10 as this campground has it all except decent trash pickup. You have to take your trash down a road 1/2 mile to put it in the dumpster. With all the work-campers here I can't imagine they can't have trash cans closer to the sites and pick them up daily.
07/2010
rating [ 7/10 ]
Not a bad campground but they sure used the wrong size rocks to re gravel the roads. We stayed in the back and felt it was fairly quiet nice grounds good dog walk are, Wi-Fi some of the best and lots of cable channels, would stay here again.
07/2010
rating [ 8/10 ]
For a cross country stop is very good. Friendly staff will bring supper to you although a little over priced.
07/2010
rating [ 9/10 ]
Excellent one night stay but wouldn't want to spend any length of time here.
07/2010
rating [ 7/10 ]
Everything was nice except for the Wi-Fi it proved to be nonexistent would not work between 7 an and 8 pm very frustrating
07/2010
rating [ 4/10 ]
Sites are not level; the laundry and bath rooms are in the office. When the office is closed, so are they. Wifi is terrible and the office staff could care less. Will hand you a paper to call the provider. Way overpriced for what you get.
07/2010
rating [ 6/10 ]
This park ki clean and there is not much in the store. The WiFi works but if you are in the center row, and back aways, with rigs sitting between you and the antenna: forget it. Has a friendly staff. Don't know where Woodalls comes up with their numbers, but this is not a 8 or 9 campground.
07/2010
rating [ 9/10 ]
Good park, was easy to get into and out of. Has friendly staff, nice grounds, the store has a bar and good selection.
06/2010
rating [ 8/10 ]
Nice clean park, friendly staff, and easy to pull in spaces. There is no pool, a small grocery store, no ice and a pop machine. This is a nice overnight spot, not for long term stays unless you are working in the area. The office has some odd hours: 4 to 7 in the evening and 8 to 11 in the morning.
06/2010
rating [ 9/10 ]
One big surprise! Got a site backed up to the fishing pond, which had good shade. While other responders are right, most of these 300 sites are seasonal, they are kept in good shape. Some of the pull-through's are in the sun but they are the only ones. Staff was friendly lots of space between rigs would definitely come back, (and the fishing was great.)
06/2010
rating [ 8/10 ]
Nice to find this park. The only complaint is the sites are not level. Other then that, it has friendly staff and is a nice park.
06/2010
rating [ 1/10 ]
This park is strictly for seasonal. The transients get put in one section that is the worst set up I have ever seen. Sites are unlevel all utilities are grouped together 4 to a pole, roads in and out of section is rutted and full of holes. Staff is the owners kids and if you make one unhappy their father the most foul mouthed bully I have ever seen in a public place will come to your rig and threaten to throw you out as this is his campground. Would not go back there under any circumstances.
06/2010
rating [ 8/10 ]
With a pool and activities for kids this would be a 10. All 50 amp sites are back in; the pull thrus are 30 amp; lots of trees on the side of a hill. To access the campground the entrance looks like you are going into another type of business and not a campground. You drive past self storage units, up a narrow gravel road ,make a sharp turn at the top, and you are in front of the office. All in all, quiet clean and relaxing place.
06/2010
rating [ 7/10 ]
Easy to find the park. The electric and water pressure was good. Clean park nice with dog area. Some of the sites have new gravel and someone did not get it level. On our site the gravel in rear was low forcing us to use extra step. We would stay there again
06/2010
rating [ 7/10 ]
Ok park, it's clean. It's trying to be a resort with lots for the kids to do, but could not get leveled. We ended up using boards on the front as the whole campground slants towards the lake (pond). The store and laundry are set up funny: as to use the laundry, the store must be open as the machines are in side. There is a fairly good stocked store, just nothing to brag about. No cable TV (which was showing on this site), and no TV without a portable dish as there's too many trees.
03/2010
rating [ 8/10 ]
Very nice staff, sites level easy to get in and out of, store is marginal little stock good Wi-Fi and cable rate is PA also gives discounts for Vets. As mentioned earlier is a dog pound but did not hear it at night nor surprisingly didn't hear road noise or truck stop, hidden by trees around lake and swamp would stay here again
02/2010
rating [ 4/10 ]
This is a park with an owner attitude. If she likes you, you can do anything. If not, better obey the rules. Especially parking on the grass. Problem, there is no clear sites except for a few. Friends are allowed to party after quiet time. Wi-Fi worked briefly and then went down, not to return for over a month. Their excuse was that the provider would not fix it. Don't expect too much in the way of Wi-Fi except in their office. No speed limit posted and so people could just race through the park, although on some of the roads they could beat your cars to pieces. Cable TV has lots of channels but they have a tendency to break up like a satellite in heavy rain. We will not be staying here again.
01/2010
rating [ 6/10 ]
My big problem is calling it a resort, there are no resort type activities here. The walking is around the small park. The park is trying to sell all the sites to turn it into time shares. The cable system has only 10 channels. Good Wi-Fi and you can use your satellite dish if you are in the right spot. We were given a spot with a huge billboard behind us which blocked the satellite. There is no store, and no reading library. There is a small game room and a nice pool. Given the price I will find some where else next time and drive into the quarter if I have to go there.
01/2010
rating [ 6/10 ]
While I agree with most peoples prior comments I will probably not be coming back the front desk person was the rudest I have ever encountered, She never once looked up just kept here head down sounded like she used to work for a DMV some where. Never looking at me just ask for my drivers license, credit card handed me the directions to the site told me to come back the next day to get my receipts and went back to what she was doing before, no goodbye, no have a good time, nothing, with that attitude won't be back
01/2010
rating [ 7/10 ]
The pluses: easy access, friendly staff, good water pressure, and good electric. The minus: the biggest one is traffic noise right on the interstate never gets quiet. Site was not level, roads could use some work. Probably will not stay here again because of the noise.
11/2009
rating [ 7/10 ]
Good park for an overnight. Friendly staff, good Wi-Fi, and lots of cable channels. Was originally put in 30 amp site when I had reservation for 50 amp, had no problem getting changed. Some of the sites had a long way to hook up sewer hose and electricity. Over 1/2 the sites are taken up by month to month workers. But overall not bad of a overnight stay. Would camp here again.
11/2009
rating [ 5/10 ]
This is a small park right on the river and directly under I-35 the site are level, the staffs friendly, can't get any closer to the freeway to get back on. The directions to get there are a bit convoluted regardless of what books i used to get there but we finely found it, grounds are immaculate . The only reason I gave this park a 5 is because of the noise both cars and trains.
11/2009
rating [ 5/10 ]
Staff very professional not rude not friendly just professional. Sites are gravel with bumpy roads that are being patched over and over, lots of ground cover but no grass. Laundry and game room are nice and a new bathhouse is being built. The old bath houses are very dated. There appears to be 2 sections of the park one for the perms and one for the travelers. Good electricity and water and cable. The main problem I have with the park and the reason for the 5 is that for the price it should be a lot better
11/2009
rating [ 8/10 ]
Over all a very friendly staff. The roads in the park are a little narrow but the sites are large and shaded as well as large shrubs on both sides, so it give you a feeling of being alone. Trash is picked up from in front of sites daily. The only draw back is some of the sites have old utility connections requiring you to get on your knees to hook up and the boxes are sharp enough to cut you ( personal experience). Over all though, this was a pleasant stay and we would stay again.
10/2009
rating [ 8/10 ]
Sites on creek are not 50 amp not all sites are satellite friendly only those at back of park awkward to get into and out of but staff is very friendly given the other parks in the area this is by far the best there is small store but very little in it you are at the edge of the downtown area so all the tourist traps are within walking distance. is an easy drive to all the nature sights and they can make the stay worthwhile. We would stay here again.
10/2009
rating [ 5/10 ]
It is an old park and not well maintained. The roads are horrible sites just barely big enough for a 37 ft with small toad. The tree limbs need to be trimmed up higher as I hit the limbs going in and coming out. The staff is friendly. It is a good place for just a overnight stay. They say they have cable but couldn't find it and wifi is only at the office and laundry.
09/2009
rating [ 8/10 ]
An ok campground with a very different space arrangement. We would go back. It has friendly staff and is close to ocean: when the fog is not in, you can see Morro Rock. All sand sites: the one we had was not level so we had to use leveling blocks (site 120). It did have good electricity and water pressure.
09/2009
rating [ 2/10 ]
This is nothing bigger then a large asphalt parking lot with utilities placed so all spots are side-by-side and so close together that you literally have to watch your neighbor getting out of their coach. We had a family affair in Pacifica and would not have stayed here but for this. There are some coaches that have been here so long, they are starting to rust and probably could not be moved if they had to. I would hate to see a fire start as it would spread quickly to all the park. In over 30 years of camping, we have never stayed in a place this bad and will not stay here again. Will stay out of the area and drive in.
09/2009
rating [ 8/10 ]
Would have given them a higher rating but the electricity went out 3 times in the afternoon. Good level sites long although you toad will be slanting down on a hill if you are in the pull through sites. Friendly and fairly quiet even though you are just above a truck stop. Even though it says you are in Kingman, it is about 20 miles east of town.
09/2009
rating [ 8/10 ]
My biggest complaint is the Wi-Fi only works in the laundry or the club house is is an open site and they don't want to broadcast it i guess. Some of the sites are very close together but the length is fine, sites are level pea gravel, water, and electric are good. Some road noise but not bad. Office staff very friendly.
09/2009
rating [ 5/10 ]
This park has 3 different areas the newest one is very nice and spacious, the next newest has some trees and the oldest part (where we were) has large trees and very narrow sites. Our site had trees so close we could not put out the awning and would have hit our neighbor if we could have. The sites were muddy sand and clay even though we stayed there 4 days it never dried up the shade trees touched the coach and birds roosted in them at night leaving their mess around and on every thing, Might stay here again but not in this section
08/2009
rating [ 8/10 ]
A very nice park with good water and steady Electric. It is close to the shores of Lake Eufala and a nice nature trail. There is a good breakfast and friendly staff. The big down side even though wifi is advertised we were on the back row and could not receive it as the antenna is at the laundry room. That location and the office seem to be the only place you can receive the wifi signal.
06/2009
rating [ 7/10 ]
We camped here on a hot day and then we lost 50 amp and were running on 30 amp for a good part of the hottest part of the day before it was fixed and 50 amp came back. The dog rules are great. They advertise free WIFI and it is free for 1/2 hr 3 times a day and then it is shut off so if you need to do any thing that takes more the 1/2 hr forget it. the staff is friendly and we probably will return
05/2009
rating [ 4/10 ]
I only rated this park low because it is under construction and not every thing is open after a fire destroyed the office. It also looks like they have recently redone the 50 amp area. (They did discount the rate by $10 because they were not able to give every thing that was advertised.) Not all the restrooms were open yet and not all the dumpsters shown on the map are there. Nice couple running the place (work campers).
05/2009
rating [ 7/10 ]
The first site we were given I knew would not be level and asked the escort to stick around while I used the levelers. When they quit my front wheels were off the ground and he could see them and moved us to a site that was more level. This worked good. Some of the sites are side by side which given the age of the park didn't surprise me. Over all a typical old KOA not too noisy. Clean. Friendly staff.
05/2009
rating [ 9/10 ]
This is a nice park. While they do allow kids I wouldn't call it kid friendly as there is nothing for kids except one slide and spring toy in a sand box. But if you are adult it is a great park. We have stayed here before and will stay again if in the area.
05/2009
rating [ 3/10 ]
I agree that this a parking lot with large number of rules. There is no dog run and the rules state if you have to walk your dog do it toward the ocean not in the park. When checking in we were given a site with no electricity and had to move. The utilities connections are too far back to allow easy hookup within the 10 foot from the fence which separates you from the school. Probably would not stay here again even thou the manager was friendly (except when I told the manager my electric did not work).
02/2009
rating [ 6/10 ]
Good level grounds, good power pedestal, staff polite but not overly friendly. Restrooms are dated doors on showers broken or bent no place in shower to change must do it in main area. Ok for a overnight but probably wouldn't stay there again.
11/2008
rating [ 6/10 ]
If you like a big parking lot this is the place for you. You must use blocks under your levelers. The pool is across the street about 2 blocks away. The office is across the street. The staff is friendly. I would stay here again only to ride the train. The best thing going, the park it is downtown.
11/2008
rating [ 9/10 ]
This is one of the nicest places we have been. The paper is delivered every day. It has great dining. Office looks like a hotel when you walk in. We will stay here again when we are in Bakersfield. My reason for a nine instead of a 10 is no escort to site which I found surprising given the rest of the amenities.
11/2008
rating [ 8/10 ]
This is not the first time we stayed here, and it won't be the last. The owners are as friendly as any that we've seen. Your dogs get treats as well as you on check in. They have a pet area where your pet can run off leash. This is in the middle of lava flats so not much in the way of vegetation. It has has good electricity, but the TV cable is in the wrong end of the sites from rest of utilities.
11/2008
rating [ 7/10 ]
Sites are small. We have camped here before, and have not been unhappy with it. This time we couldn't get leveled. There was a traffic cone in the site marking that this was a reserved site, so we had to get out and move it so we could get in. There was good electric, and clean bathrooms, but we didn't hookup water. We did notice the road noise all night, so that was a minor turnoff. I would stay there again, but this is just an overnight park, not a destination one.
08/2008
rating [ 3/10 ]
While this park has many things to like about it, it looks like it wants to be a resort and not an RV park. The roads are very tight and trees are all over (one had even fallen and crunched a mobile home). The park has all of the water view sites taken by long term residents, so there are only 6 sites avail for weekenders, so you have no view at all. The park pavilion is right next to the RV sites, and there is no parking, so the users of the pavilion park in front of your rig, and if you want out forget it. People will wander through your sites even when sitting outside. Quiet time is not enforced. We will not camp here again.
07/2008
rating [ 7/10 ]
This is a very clean, well kept park. It has good Wi-Fi, good cable, and nice pull through all gravel sites. There is a good store, but about average for most KOA's. It is good for overnight, but not a destination park.
07/2008
rating [ 8/10 ]
This is a park that is not for everyone. You have 50 sites on 36 acres of land with the river on one edge of the park. The roads are dirt, and the trees need trimmed, but the sites are level, and we have never camped in a spot where there was so much room between rigs. The atmosphere was as trusting as anywhere we have ever been. If you want ice take a bag and fill it up at the ice machine and leave $1.50 on top. Want to use the washer and dryer; leave $3.00 on the top when you are finished. The grounds were very well kept, and if you like fishing there is plenty of river to fish in. All that being said this is not for everyone. If you want a resort, this is not it. If dogs running loose bothers you, don't come here. This is in the forest and the dogs are used to keep critters out, but they are very friendly to people and other dogs. If you are looking for an RV resort, this is not it as the name implies. It is a campground that happens to have RV spaces in it. There is no store to speak of so bring all you need. The water pressure and electric service was good. There was one TV channel over the air; no cable. We will camp there again.
06/2008
rating [ 1/10 ]
This is a brand new park, and some of what they advertise is not yet there, but they are not discounting anything. The pull-through sites are a gravel parking lot; no shade except for 1 old tree. At one end of the 7 spaces are some water only sites on the lake. The store is open and so is the putt putt golf. Carry everything you need as the store has all the Jellystone things but not much else. We drove through before we brought the motorhome up, and the wife said no way were we camping there.
05/2008
rating [ 8/10 ]
The pros: First, every site has its own deck on the lake. Grounds are well kept. There is the best cable TV we have had in a long time, and there is a very friendly staff. The cons: There is no store or restrooms. It has a club house that needs some work. The water is hard to hook up as some of them are almost too close to the ground. This park was set up originally for all class A's, and they have let 5ers and travel trailers in. Unfortunately those have to back in and class A's have to back out of the sites. Some of them are very tight. Our neighbor had to open his awning against a tree, and we couldn't open ours because he was there first. The sites are all different sizes; some of them small, some of them very large. The best views are in the A section. The C section has a view of the other side of the creek and catches the evening sun head on. We would probably stay there again but only if we were on the A side.
05/2008
rating [ 10/10 ]
This was a very good park and very friendly workers. There is a large number of work campers taking constant care of the place. There are many sites that have been taken over by cabins including about half the river front sites, but they seem to blend in with the site area. There are a large number of activities for kids to be supervised and not. The reason for a 9 and not a 10 is the only dumpster is at the end of a road about a third of a mile away from the camp ground. With all the workers they could have trash cans closer and just dump them once a day or so.
03/2008
rating [ 7/10 ]
This is a very nice, easy to get into park. The site directions were good (but no office help to get there), but easy to find. The utilities were as good for hook up as I have ever seen. Sites were level, and each one in this camp ground was clean. The reason I only gave this a 7 is they advertise cable, but the only cable you get is worse than off the air stations, and they are the same ones on the cable. This explains why there were so many satellite dishes around. We were here for a rally and would come again.
03/2008
rating [ 7/10 ]
The owners are extremely friendly. The campground has 2 levels, one bottom level for tents and pop-ups. It was easy to get into. The owners were as friendly as I have seen in a long time. They went out of their way to help us. The only problem was the lights on the canoes as they run a canoing business. The restrooms have combination locks, and they are one small room with 1 stool, 1 sink and one shower with all being on the same floor (no shower pan) which is unusual.
10/2007
rating [ 8/10 ]
It was easy to park here. We got cookies for us and the dogs. This is a pure gravel park which given the area is not surprising. We would stay here again.
10/2007
rating [ 8/10 ]
This is a nice stop over park. It is a typical KOA. Even though it is close to the highway there is not much noise. We stopped here 20 yrs ago and it hasn't changed at all except they added the KOA cabins. We would stay there again.
10/2007
rating [ 3/10 ]
This is an old park with lots of trees. It is very hard to drive through, and we saw several trees that had been hit so you had better go slow. We saw one camper who had to have lots of help getting into his site. Sites are rocky with too many trees for satellite TV service. We probably would not camp here again.
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